What am i doing wrong

[Jashper]

OMG ..... a work related trip to Southampton yesterday .. 65 mile each way on the M3 always in top and never over 3000rpm .. and the trip finally shows an average of 47.2 mpg .....!!

How the F... are you guys getting 60mpg++ ??? :confused:

[Emm]

I haven't got a clue

In the last couple of weeks i have been doing 4 mile journey's twice a day and i'm gutted that i'm only getting 60 mpg, its usually 65 plus. The only difference is mine is the 75 TDI sport and i have a K&N filter (which make zero diff)

When was it last serviced? (although i can't see it getting that bad even if its never been serviced)

i got 40 MPG out of a V5 turbo Audi TT (according to the trip)

Sorry mate can't help, but at least i given you a ref point if you need to go to Audi

Emm:)

[spike]

Hi Jashper
I find that the key to good fuel economy is cruising on a steady throttle. If traffic conditions don't allow and your always on an off the gas then economy really suffers. Speed is also relavant - one of the old Audi Magazines quoted a test track figure of 30mpg at a steady 100mph!
Personally, I usually stick within 5mph of the 60 and 70mph speed limits and average 60 mpg in summer and 55mpg in winter.

Cheers Spike

[tdiman]

OMG ..... a work related trip to Southampton yesterday .. 65 mile each way on the M3 always in top and never over 3000rpm .. and the trip finally shows an average of 47.2 mpg .....!!

How the F... are you guys getting 60mpg++ ??? :confused:


Isn't 'never over 3000rpm' the same as 80mph+, I would thing that is your problem, I have found that in my 75 TDI every 10mph in speed equals 10mpg more in consumption, proven year before last chasing a mate down to Portsmouth overnight, he left Holmes Chapel at 12:00 midnight, I left Manchester at 2:00am, I caught him at 5:30am just outside Southampton, result average speed 70mph consumption 50mpg, returning with more load (it was the beer & wine from France) average speed 60mph consumption 60mpg!!

[ULP]

Firstly, never trust the DIS or any other kind of trip computer - they all lie.

The only way to get an acurate figure is brim it, drive the car, brim it again then work out the mpg.

Also, don't belive everyone gets 65mpg - my cousins fianceé reckons his TDI90 does 65mpg all the time but I have seen the way he drives and their 'aint an ice-cube in hells chance he gets that much.

I can't deny I am a little dissapointed with my own economy; I get about 57mpg on a run and 53mpg in normal driving which is no better than my old Punto JTD. However, diesels take a time to 'bed in' - my Punto got about 50mpg when I bought it (with 20K on the clock) but it steadily improved as I got to around 40K with the economy settling at 55mpg-ish. However, numerous factors come into it such as engine speed and this is where the Punto JTD excelled - it was doing 2100rpm at 70mph in top with 3000rpm only arriving as I hit the ton :o The A2 is much shorter geared.

I expected 65mpg from the A2, but even when run-in I suspect I will see 60mpg tops.

If you are driving the TDI at 3000rpm (as near as damn it 80mph) then this isn't an especially economical speed, especially if there are inclines/ trucks to slow down for then accelerate away from/ a headwind etc. etc. etc.

[Fiona]

I have a '52 Tdi Sport and I do about 6 miles most days to work and back. This way I average 47mpg and about 28mph! I go on a long trip and it goes up to anywhere between 55-62 and I am a bit heavy right footed!

To be honest, I reallly don't give a stuff, wouldn't change Alfie anyway!

[HUWS66]

When I first got my A2 tdi 75 bhp I drove at around th e75-80 mph on the motorway and got about 49-55 mpg,Now that I am not as heavy footed and have reduced my speed by 10 mph I have noticed a big difference but I also agree that fill it to the brim wait till fuel light comes on and brim it again and do the math

[Jashper]

Shock news ....

After some decent runs (not m-way) and a mix of round town journeys .. albeit driving like a puff ... i'm actually seeing avg of 49.3mpg on the DIS !!! :rolleyes:

[rhyd4]

cant tell you mpg but i got 265 miles to £20, well chuffed with that as i only get about 100 miles in my almera gti

[HUWS66]

Well my A2 tdi is improveing on the mpg I done 439 miles and it cost £28.82 its about 500 miles away from 40k

[convert]

We;re getting about 50mpgout of our 1.4Tdi, mainly very short journeys up to2 miles...much better than the Tiv

[adetdi]

just to make every1 fell a lot better iv just sold my honda civic type r due to being very thirsty and vrought me an a2tdi90. i worked the mpg out on the ctr, and driving sensibly (only booted it once) i got about 24mpg:eek: :eek: so 55-60mpg is nothing to worry about.!

[convert]

Just filled up the TVR - top to top - 45 litres - 123 miles - 12mpg!
I know someone who can get his down to 7mpg; if he really tries

[Redders]

I own a Honda Civic Type R and I get about 22mpg!!! The A2 is my wife’s who gets a much more respectable 40mpg on a good day. I get quite jealous when I look at the DIS!!

[danksy]

My DIS says 59.2mpg average, but I reckon its more like 50mpg

A2 1.4Tdi SE

[HIB9000]

Have u checked ur tyre pressure? If they are to low this makes a great deal of difference. Also are u carrying to much weight in the car?

[Alan_uk]

Hi

always in top and never over 3000rpm .. and the trip finally shows an average of 47.2 mpg .....!! How ... are you guys getting 60mpg++ ??? :confused:

I see you have a TDi90 so I guess that may be part of the reason, though as the cc is the same as the 75 that may only impact if you accelerate hard.

Over a whole year and about 11k miles I got 62 mpg but most of my driving is A roads and from memory the revs are around 2,100 [corrected] at about a typical 60 mph. I find on the motorways I have to push the accelerator quite hard down to get past 60 up to 75, though one can ease off then.

Given the congested roads in most of the UK it's pointless to drive hard or increase risk by overtaking. Invariably the guy who drives hard overtakes you then at the next roundabout or traffic signals he's just a few yards ahead in the queue! If I see a queue way ahead I lift off the gas and find that the A2 is very good at coasting, seems to take ages to lose speed. Aren't the tyres supposed to be low friction?

[Debb]

I've only had my A2 for about 5 weeks and I seem to be getting about 55 mpg up to about 60 mpg, depending upon journeys. I do about 30 to 40 miles per day in varying length journeys, all on minor roads, and personally I'm pleased....and so is my husband!!:cool: (last vehicle was shogun sport - approx 25mpg!). I havent had a long motorway journey yet, but very interested to find out what mpg is then.:o

[spike]

Hi Debb, welcome to the A20c. We are a bit thin on the ground up here so it's great to see new members joining the club, especially when they are from the nort east.

Cheers Spike

[nzl32]

Only had mine a few days (Sport 90) and am seeing 54mpg around town, to work etc average trip about 20 miles. Short trips you'll see much worse consumption as the engine isn't up to temp. On the motorway I'm getting 65mpg at 70mph. Pretty happy with that.

[ecoangel]

At £1/litre getting 300 miles to £15 if careful. Worst case is 70mpg if travelling rather more swiftly or 60 mpg on a German Autobahn at top speeds.

[Andrew Smith]

Hi,

I do 50 - 51mpg all the time in my 75bhp TDi Sport with a power boost resistor fitted with 60 miles of very fast twisty contry lanes and 60 miles of fast motorway at 85 steady on the cruise control and 20 miles of very variable slow motorway every day.

Can't complain considering spped and driving.

[romseymike]

Recently bought a used low milege (!5,000 miles) 03 A2 Sport 1.6 FSI - i dont seem to get over 44mpg - at speeds of 70 there is a small vibration through the tyres, and yesterday the engine management light came on (? Emmissions??) so far not that impressed! Any other people with similar issues like this?

[Redders]

I have a 1.6 FSI sport, I am lucky to see 35 MPG although that is a lot of stop start driving. I once got near 44 MPG on a holiday in Wales.

As for the vibration get the wheels looked at they could well be buckled as many forum members have found to their cost!!

My engine management light has been on for a couple months now, no one seems to be able to sort it out!! It is booked into Audi at the end of the month for them to have a go, fingers crossed!!

[James WH]

Hate to say this, but on our hols in Scotland last month, my A2 TDI 75 achieved 76mpg after filling the tank to the brim. Noticeably poorer fuel figures in winter, but overall far better than my last car- a Lupo Tdi Sport, which I believe has substantially the same engine. Sounds the same anyway!

[sue118]

Is it petrol or diesel?
Just had mine superchipped get even better now - rarely out of 5th - fantastic

[dickhilt]

Just about to join the A2 Tdi clan and part with my beloved Saab 9-5 Vector 3.0 tid.

Little bit concerned with the seemingly huge difference in mpg figures quoted!
Having done a bit of homework I must admit that I was hoping to see 60 mpg plus due to an imminent increase in my commute to around 60 miles due to a house move. It's mainly rural A road (16 miles) and the rest motorway (off peak and pretty level all the way).

I've put a deposit on an A2 Tdi SE (75) with 29,000 on the clock.
Is 60 mpg realistic driven at or around the speed limit?

The 9-5 has been fantastic and even driven really hard will only just about drop into the high 20's. 70 mph sees 45 mpg and 60 will see 50 mpg. Best I have achieved is 52 mpg on a 250 mile run (driven like a nun) and 48.5 mpg for the full tank (725 miles using just over 15 gallons) PS The Saab Information Display (SID) is very accurate, apparently unlike the Audi DIS which, despite it's otherwise high spec my A2 doesn't have. Where I live at the moment sees an average in the mid to high 30's but it is hilly, urban and I really use the performance.

I was really hoping to see an extra 20 mpg with the Audi bearing in mind the type of roads that I will be driving on. Am I being realistic or just living in cloud cuckoo land?

[MPG Lover]

dickhilt, congratulations on choosing both a high quality and high MPG car. I would suggest that you should expect 70MPG when averaging 60mph, 60MPG when averaging 80mph and 50MPG in urban driving.

[ULP]

Welcome dickhilt, and another congratulations on driving a superb car!

If you get 45mpg out of the 9-5 in your normal driving, I would imagine 60+ in the A2 would be farily easy to achieve - now I have passed 20K the economy in mine (generally A-road commute and around town on site visits) has improved from low-mid 50's up to mid-high 50's.

Oh, I'm sure that after the smooth Izusu 6-pot TiD (they do sound nice) you will enjoy the three-pot hum of the A2!

[Alan_uk]

Hi Dick and welcome.

I guess I do 75% A roads, 20% motorway and 5% town driving. Over the last 14,384 miles I've averaged 61.4 mpg. I've got a 75 TDi.

I don't particularly drive to save fuel, tending to move up through the gears quite sharpish but do try to anticipate the road ahead to avoid excessive braking. My A road speed is typically 55-60 and motorway/dual carriageway 65-70. To go faster on the motorways I notice that I need to visibly put the foot down.

[dickhilt]

Thanks everyone.

It's fantastic to find such an informative and friendly forum for the A2 much like I've been used to with Saabscene.

I've learned a lot reading through the posts which has helped me make my decision to buy an A2 and give up the Saab, my sixth!

Must admit that I wasn't expecting much when I drove the A2 on the test drive but liked the throaty engine note and quite impressed with the torque on the motorway. Also, would say that, seats excepted, the build quality of the interior seems better than the Saab (sadly spoiled by GM cost cutting and lack of development). My A2 has a rear bench seat which I believe from these posts is quite rare, a panoramic glass sunroof (not sure if that's what it's called!) Climate control and a Symphony in-dash 6 CD player. It's also interesting, but probably not surprising to learn that in real terms it's worth more than my 9-5 which is a year newer and cost £27,000 new!!

I will miss the awesome mid-range of the 9-5, it is truly a great engine and the equal of it's Aero sister on the motorway. Will also miss the V8 growl.
I'm sure I will drive the little Audi quite differently and that should hopefully be reflected in the mpg. Shame I'll have to work it out manually!

[eeeboy]

My MPG has improved with age. Currently my 1.4TDI is returning 58mpg on a 42 mile commute each day. I do not have the DIS system and calculate my MPG using miles travelled per tank full of fuel, so I'm convinced the figure is realistic. Enjoy your A2!

[ben]

I am lucky enough to have both an A2 and a NG93 Aero - and agree on build quality - the A2 is noticably better constructed than the GM offering. You still can't beat the Swedes for comfort though - I am sure hollyrescue will agree with me here.

The dealers are much the same between the two brands.

It's the technology that Audi is leading with though - Saab has lost its way on innovative technology. All the best bits in the Saab were first seen in the early 900s. Only the concept Saabs have the really interesting stuff.

And what on earth has happened in the Saab design studio? The concepts are great - but the reality is dire. The latest 9-5 saloon is a mess - stupid front chrome-rimmed goggles:
http://www.saab.co.uk/main/image/model_intro/image_gallery/2006/RHD/95_ext_2.jpg

and a confused rear end with what looks like a boot from a different car:
http://www.saab.co.uk/main/image/model_intro/image_gallery/2006/RHD/95_ext_3.jpg

Bring back the classic 900 coupé shape!

Enough of my rant.

PS - my 1.6 FSI A2 gives me 46mpg average on the DIS, the 2.0 petrol 93 gives 39mpg on the SID.

Ben

[dickhilt]

Couldn't agree more Ben!

My first 9-5, a '98 R reg felt like it would last forever as my previous 9000s did. My second 9-5, a 2001 Y reg Aero estate felt the same. My current car has too many squeaks and rattles for my liking and the fact is, there has been no worthwhile development of the car since 1997. The current facelift is a disaster but will no doubt make them an even better used buy than they are now, if that's possible!

I am really looking forward to picking up the little A2 which has a unique character all of it's own but equally sad to be leaving Saab behind.

I am not totally new to Audi having owned an R reg A4 Avant 2.4 SE some years ago. Initial observations are, more room in the back of the A2 than the A4 and I hope that it's a bit better on the juice!!

[ULP]

Mmmm, I have a thing for the old 900 Aero and T16S. I love 'em but they are mostly used as mobile skips nowadays.

GM have failed to understand Saab, so all the innovation the brand is known for has been wiped out, unlike the brilliant job Ford has done of Volvo. My mate got rid of his 9-3 1.9TiD 16v Vector Sport because it was falling to bits...

My sisters best friends hubby has a 9-5 2.3tSE on a '03' with 150K on the clock and it's faultless :)

Mmmm, 900 Carlson in white, turbo whine and all.

Oh, and the new Saab 9-5 Dame Edna Everage is a joke of a facelift. The original (and the original minor facelift) are much better.

[robertpeggie]

During Summer months I average 80 MPG using BP advanced diesel (long journeys Max speed 60 mph). It is more expensive, but I have worked out it is worth the extra cost. I have owned my 2001 1.4 TDI since new and it has now done approximately 80,000 miles.

[dickhilt]

Hi Robert,

That's just staggering!

What mpg advantage do you find the BP advanced provides and is your car standard or SE, ie do the smaller wheels make a difference?

Very much doubt that I could stick to 60 mph on the days I start at 6-00 am though!

[robertpeggie]

Dick
The car is not an SE. The BP fuel as I understand it is particular suited to diesel engines with high pressure injectors like ours. I think it has improved by about 15 MPG. Travelling at an average 70 MPH the fuel consumption drops to approx. 68 MPG. :)

[tdiman]

During Summer months I average 80 MPG using BP advanced diesel (long journeys Max speed 60 mph). It is more expensive, but I have worked out it is worth the extra cost. I have owned my 2001 1.4 TDI since new and it has now done approximately 80,000 miles.
I can see the queues of A2's at BP forecourts!
I currently get 57-60mpg on shells home brew weasel! round town commuting 10 miles each way on non motorway roads, I recently changed back to my 16" A3SE wheels with Vredestein Sportrac 2's on and the mpg improved by about 5 overnight, looks like those Bridgestone RE040's are a bit sticky!!

[Alan_uk]

During Summer months I average 80 MPG using BP advanced diesel (long journeys Max speed 60 mph). It is more expensive, but I have worked out it is worth the extra cost.

Hi Robert, your post encouraged me to try it but I almost changed my mind when pulling up at the pump. It was 110p/litre compared to 96p for ordinary. That's 14p/litre (14.6%) or 66.4p/gal extra.

I normally get 62.5 mpg (64.5 in the summer). So I need to get 71.6 (9.4 more) to break even**. On the pump it said "up to 22 more mpg". We shall see! I told the chap in the kiosk I'll be back if I get any less!!!

** more if I compare to Tesco's prices

[dickhilt]

Keep us posted Alan,

I'm very interested to see whether the extra cost is worthwhile.

As for me, my beloved 9-5 goes on Friday and I collect the A2 on Saturday so I'm looking forward to some extremely economical motoring.

[dickhilt]

Fuel Consumption-First impressions.

Well it's arrived at last!
First impressions with the fuel economy are very promising.

Had to complete a 200 mile round trip at the weekend the day after picking the car up and it averaged 69 mpg.
This was mainly motorway (190 miles) the rest local roads.
This more or less mirrors the sort of commute that I will be doing so I'm very pleased. Didn't do anything special other than gentle acceleration and an average of around 65 mph on the motorway. This tends to suggest that if I had the restraint (and the time) to drive it at 60 mph, it would easily crack 70 mpg.

This figure was worked out with a calculator as I don't have a trip computer.

Other first impressions?

Generally better build quality than the Saab but I do miss the Saab's seats and it's ride quality!

Don't know whether there's a problem with mine but it crashes horrendously over pot-holes!

Very impressed with the Symphony 6 CD audio which is a match for the Saab's, itself a very good system. Car also seems to be well equipped having Open Sky, Climate control, Bench seat, center cubby etc. Do wish it had cruise control and a trip computer though, oh and steering wheel controls for the stereo!

[Darren C]

Hi dickhilt,

The fuel economy figures for your A2 are most impressive by the sound of things and you appear to have a well specced car.

Just thought I'd share my experiences of Skipton01's retro-fit cruise - see the link below.

http://www.a2oc.net/forum/showthread.php?t=4405

It is most definately a feature worth every penny and Mike is a really nice chap to boot.

Go on take the plunge, you won't regret it!!;)

Cheers,

Darren

Do wish it had cruise control and a trip computer though, oh and steering wheel controls for the stereo!

[dickhilt]

Thanks Darren,

I think that I will have a chat with Skipton as soon as I've completed my house move and I have some spare money!

As far as mpg is concerned, doesn't seem to be doing as well now I'm doing a more local commute, this isn't a scientific observation, just noticed that the fuel gauge is dropping more quickly in relation to the mileage covered!

[SpeedEight]

I have just done my first MPG calculation from a full tank using the old fashioned 'brimming it' menthod.

Result: 60.2 MPG.

Quite happy with that, my Smart was yielding 40-50 MPG on the same commute. I travel between Nottingham and Sheffield every day, 83 miles round trip. I also use the car to go shopping, drive to football, gym, friends houses, etc, ie: Urban driving conditions. I'd say the split was 80/20 is favour of motorway cruising.

This particular tankful involved a horrendous traffic jam on the A52 on Monday night which we hardly moved for 45 minutes. I even turned the engine off at one point it was so bad, but most of the time I was on tickover. That must have had a negative effect.

Hoping for slightly better on my current tank, I'll keep people posted!

p.s.: I must say though I was really trying, only in 1st for a car length, change up in all other gears at 2k RPM, never booted it. But that's how I'm always going to drive it, it's not my 'fun' car :)

[ecoangel]

93mpg from Nottingham to Teeside on Sunday night - 123 miles in a tad over 2 hours, M1, M18,A1, A19 and B roads.

[dickhilt]

3,000 miles down the line and I've got into a rythm of getting 60 plus mpg on a regular basis, so chuffed to bits!
Best for a full tank so far has been just over 67 mpg overall and considering that's in winter with a couple of frosty starts, I'm fairly confident that 70 mpg plus is possible during the Summer months or even on a longer run now without the age it takes to warm up!
Yes it does involve driving with a LIGHT right foot but the secret seems to be keeping the car in as high a gear as possible, ie not changing down for roundabouts etc unless really necessary and keeping the car below 2000 rpm which equates to about 55 mph on the motorway. Setting off in second gear on the flat and down hill etc helps keep the revs down and the car will do it with ease.
Have just traded the wife's Sportka in for a Toyota Aygo 1.0 Black so it will be interesting to see how that compares on economy.

[Alan_uk]

Keep us posted Alan,
I'm very interested to see whether the extra cost [of BP Optima] is worthwhile.


See this thread about my recent experience: http://www.a2oc.net/forum/showthread.php?p=39828#post39828