Stealth Club Vs The Rest

[wooly A2]

As you all know Stealth have done more than their fair share of Remaps on this site and it seems that we have a bit of a club thing going on here ......

But so as not to leave out all you other guys who've had your Pride and Joy
Tinkered with how about a thread where we can all see the before and after results of your remaps this is open to anyone who has taken the remap route .......

It does not matter if you had the remap done by Stealth, Revo, Abt, Jabbasport, CccTech, AmdTechnik, Awesome Gti Or whoever ,
We are all United in are choice of wheels so lets compare how many
Stealth Cars we have in the club Vs The Rest .....

Ill start the ball rolling :::

Stealth Racing
Before
85.8bhp @ 4053rpm
163.1lb/ft @ 2569rpm
After
98.7bhp @ 3288rpm
178.6lb/ft @ 2625rpm
Latest
110 Bhp...189.6 lb/ft

[Darren C]

Stealth Racing Club Member :D

Unfortunately I do not have any 'stock' figures to quote, but I do have an initial remap figure from another source to compare against the now remapped Stealth statistics.

Initial Remap
BHP :- 101.4 @ 3936 rpm
Torque :- 182.5lbft @ 2391 rpm

Stealth Remap
BHP :- 100.2 @ 3822 rpm
Torque :- 213.4lbft @ 2182 rpm

Suffice to say that I am more than a tad pleased with the torque figure from my TDI75, which compares admirably with some of the mapped TDI90 stats. :cool:

Stealth Racing and the A2 go together like 'salt & pepper' in my book!! :p

[Skipton01]

I'll add Tank to the stats after the compo closes next Saturday.

Although in the Awesome Club, rather than the Stealth Society (I do have a little advert for them both though), Tank has been thoroughly fettled by Robin, John, Graham and Vince, especially in the suspension department, so he could be an honorary member, I suppose.

Cheers,

Mike

[manhattan$]

I will post mine once i have the milltek exhaust and induction kit fitted and another rolling road session probably at jabbasport as they are local:D

[driveforward]

I need a RR session to measure the gains of my REVO map, unfortunately, like Darren, I have no before figures :(

[robin]

Can i join the club:rolleyes: but i can not give you the BHP or the torque as they are variable at the moment but around 109bhp and 220 lbs:D

maybe we can have a roling road day at stealth and see what all the chiped A2s are putting out and then go for a curry after what do you think.:confused:

[driveforward]

Sounds like a plan Robin :)

[ULP]

Some good scores here...

[Colin]

Are stealth still offering a special price on their Remaps????????

[robin]

Are stealth still offering a special price on their Remaps????????
yes if you ring and ask Vince say that robin said then he should give it at the same price

cheers
robin

[simoncaine@hotmail.co.uk]

just booked mine and they said the offer is ongoing as long their is enough interest.

[djmachin]

Got mine done last month at Stealth and here were the results:

Before
78.9bhp@3476rpm
166lbs/ft@2226

After two rolling road runs to tweak the power curve:

97.1php@3821rpm
207.1lbs/ft@2132

Quite chuffed with the torque it produces. I can now pop it into 5th when I'm doing 35-40Mph (on the speedo not GPS speed) and is much happier than it was before. One other thing I noticed was that I could just about get up a long inclined road nearby (Ash Bank Road) doing 40Mph in 5th before the remap. I can now accelerate VERY easily if I put my foot down a little bit.

Still makes me grin when I boot it through the gears! Nice plume of smoke in my rear view mirror...

P.S

Glad you saw the light Simon, you won't regret it!

[moondevil]

Just booked mine as well. Can't wait..... :)

[rlc]

Hi, have been wondering if anyone had or if it's even possible to remap the 1.6FSI for smoother acceleration in the lower gears and/or any more bhp?

Haven't been able to find any info on this on the web so far, makes me wonder if it's even possible.

Thanks,
RC

[Skipton01]

Hi, have been wondering if anyone had or if it's even possible to remap the 1.6FSI for smoother acceleration in the lower gears and/or any more bhp?

Haven't been able to find any info on this on the web so far, makes me wonder if it's even possible.

Thanks,
RC
The FSi can indeed be remapped, although the power gains are not as dramatic as the diesels, due to a lack of a turbo.

Still, about 10 extra horses are available and the power curve should be smoother after a rolling road tune.

Cheers,

Mike

[rlc]

Brill', thanks Mike. Sounds reasonable...10 horses are 10 horses eh ;)

Any idea where's good to get such a thing done...and rough ideas of costs etc?

Thanks again!

RC

[robin]

Brill', thanks Mike. Sounds reasonable...10 horses are 10 horses eh ;)

Any idea where's good to get such a thing done...and rough ideas of costs etc?

Thanks again!

RC

If you ring vince at stealth he will be able to give you a price as it will be more than we charge for the TDIs as you have to remove the chip of the board

cheers
Robin

[SimonT]

Mine was as standard:

87.5 bhp @3880 rpm
168.3 lb/ft @ 2352

after re-map:

106.2 @ 3871
179 lb/ft @ 2432

Vince said it was the most powerful standard 75 they'd had at Stealth... I'm happy with the result especially as economy has improved on a run, but seeing some of the torque you guys have I'm envious!!!

Robin,

Any ideas why mine didn't get the 200+lb/ft a few others have? Have you got an improved map now?? Don't understand how I got 11 lb/ft improvement while others have 40+, especially starting out with such a strong engine??

[Havank]

Here are mine result (yes also a Stealth remap!!)

Standard (before)
79.9 bhp @ 3439
155.2 Lb/ft @ 2324

Modified (after)
103.5 bhp @ 3957
182.8 Lb/ft @ 2277


And yes I am very happy

[Aikon]

Mine was as standard:

87.5 bhp @3880 rpm
168.3 lb/ft @ 2352

after re-map:

106.2 @ 3871
179 lb/ft @ 2432

Vince said it was the most powerful standard 75 they'd had at Stealth... I'm happy with the result especially as economy has improved on a run, but seeing some of the torque you guys have I'm envious!!!

Robin,

Any ideas why mine didn't get the 200+lb/ft a few others have? Have you got an improved map now?? Don't understand how I got 11 lb/ft improvement while others have 40+, especially starting out with such a strong engine??

Your figure does sound about right, my torque figure post Jabbasport is 189 lb-ft, map is in the signature. Maybe Stealth can explain the different results?

[robin]

Mine was as standard:

87.5 bhp @3880 rpm
168.3 lb/ft @ 2352

after re-map:

106.2 @ 3871
179 lb/ft @ 2432

Vince said it was the most powerful standard 75 they'd had at Stealth... I'm happy with the result especially as economy has improved on a run, but seeing some of the torque you guys have I'm envious!!!

Robin,

Any ideas why mine didn't get the 200+lb/ft a few others have? Have you got an improved map now?? Don't understand how I got 11 lb/ft improvement while others have 40+, especially starting out with such a strong engine??

Hi Simon
every map that we do on the roling road will be tuned for that car so all the maps will not be the same.:o
As for the the BHP it all depends on what you have got at start as all the A2s are not the same if you have more at the start like you then the gaine is less

maybe you need to change your air filter or maybe it is the fule that you use as all these things will make a change to the BHP that you can get if you was to put your car on the rollers then it could give a diffrent reading +or - as mine has been on with diffrent fule and the reading was down a bit but it was the same map the weather also has a lot to do with it as well
but the maine thing is that the car is better for the remap
so don't be envious!!! enjoy what you have but we all want more:confused:

Cheers
Robin

[ULP]

Any ideas why mine didn't get the 200+lb/ft a few others have? Have you got an improved map now?? Don't understand how I got 11 lb/ft improvement while others have 40+, especially starting out with such a strong engine??

Looking at your stats the answer seems reasonably easy to explain - you actually have a high outright-power figure and I would therefore suggest you engine is less 'peaky' in the low range for torque and the turbo offers more push throughout the rev-range. As it is you still have a significant amount of pull at the bottom-end yet probably also the most punch of any '75' at the top-end. The dyno-plot for my car has the torque falling away quite rapidly once it has hit the peak, then drops less slowly from 2500rpm - yours has a decent spread.

I wouldn't get upset about it either way, so long as the car feels more driveable which is, ultimately, the aim.

[SimonT]

Robin,

I'm very happy with the result. Can you recommend an air filter?
I'm planning on returning to Stealth to get the suspension sorted when I get a chance, so perhaps you could fit a better filter and stick it on teh rolling road again to see what difference that gives.

Cheers,
Si



Hi Simon
every map that we do on the roling road will be tuned for that car so all the maps will not be the same.:o
As for the the BHP it all depends on what you have got at start as all the A2s are not the same if you have more at the start like you then the gaine is less

maybe you need to change your air filter or maybe it is the fule that you use as all these things will make a change to the BHP that you can get if you was to put your car on the rollers then it could give a diffrent reading +or - as mine has been on with diffrent fule and the reading was down a bit but it was the same map the weather also has a lot to do with it as well
but the maine thing is that the car is better for the remap
so don't be envious!!! enjoy what you have but we all want more:confused:

Cheers
Robin

[Gexx]

Old
97.2Bhp
192.5 Torques

New
111.4 BHP @ 3610rpm
206.2 Torques @ 2027rpm

[moondevil]

Managed to squeeze mine in today, with the following results:

Standard:

80.6bhp/154Ib

Remap:

98.7bhp/173.9Ib.

What a difference. I'm so glad I've had it done. The engine now pulls right to the redline (as everyone has already said ;) )

[robin]

Robin,

I'm very happy with the result. Can you recommend an air filter?
I'm planning on returning to Stealth to get the suspension sorted when I get a chance, so perhaps you could fit a better filter and stick it on teh rolling road again to see what difference that gives.

Cheers,
Si
Hi Simon
BMC do a filter for the A2 or a KN filter

Cheers
Robin

[Skipton01]

Well now that the competition is closed, I can finally reveal the results of the recent fettling by Awesome (www.awesome-gti.co.uk):

Before:
94.78bhp
198.35 torques

After:
131.22bhp @ 2146rpm
255.39 torques @ 1748rpm

I think you'll agree that these are pretty good figures, which are undoubtedly helped by the K&N air filter and Milltek Sport exhaust system.

The next step will be an induction kit, as the route that air has to take to get into the cylinders is pretty convoluted to say the least. Then, I'll be looking into a gearbox re-build to take advantage of all that torque, as 1st gear is pretty much redundant now, apart from steep hill starts and even then, it's still too short.

Cheers,

Mike

[robin]

The induction kit is out of the question at the mo as there is a vacuum pipe just before the MAF and if you change to a induction kit then there wont be any vacuum and the engine smokes and plays up.:(
john put a kit on his A2 and had all sorts or problems with his 75 bhp the configuration of the air filter some how creates a vacuum for this pipe.
But we are still looking it to this.:rolleyes:
so hopefully we can over come this problem and put a induction kit on.:confused:
Cheers
Robin

[robin]

I'll add Tank to the stats after the compo closes next Saturday.

Although in the Awesome Club, rather than the Stealth Society (I do have a little advert for them both though), Tank has been thoroughly fettled by Robin, John, Graham and Vince, especially in the suspension department, so he could be an honorary member, I suppose.

Cheers,

Mike

HI mike
He can be a member of the stealth club we do not discriminate against any one especially the tank as we have thoroughly fettled with him:eek:

Cheers
Robin

[humps]

Before:
94.78bhp
198.35 torques

After:
131.22bhp @ 2146rpm
255.39 torques @ 1748rpm

Mike

Mike, that is truely impressive result! Don't I want a tdi badly now! Shame the exhaust is not being made anymore.

More important though, I hope the club has raised some money through the competition.

[Skipton01]

Mike, that is truely impressive result! Don't I want a tdi badly now! Shame the exhaust is not being made anymore.

More important though, I hope the club has raised some money through the competition.
Hiya Humps,

The club has raised a fantastic amount, and thanks to you in particular for your generous donation.

The chaps at Milltek have said that if we get 10 (minimum) firm orders together, they will make a batch of exhausts for us, so all isn't lost!

Cheers,

Mike

[manhattan$]

Full exhausts are available from http://www.edworthys.co.uk/Milltek-Exhausts-AUDI-Full-System-p-95438.html

They were £250 last week though and are for the large fuel tank cars only.

PM me for a 5% discount code for the above website.

Cheers,
Paul. :)

[manhattan$]

Plus a free autoglym exec cleaning kit worth £18.99 too :)

[elanfan]

Paid a visit to Vince at the weekend. He managed to fit me in amongst assorted 'hot' VR6 Corrados, results as follows:

Before:
86.6 bhp
165.1 lb ft

After:
104.7 bhp
181.7 lb ft

Great team and great result. Finally I'm not risking life and limb when overtaking...

[bluepassion]

i got stealthed yesterday the wife got sick of me asking for a remap

before:
85.7 bhp
167.7 lb ft

after
110.9 bhp:eek::eek:
186.6

great results the A2 is a lot more drivable now:D:D

[wooly A2]

I Would like to say a very big Thank You to Vince , John, & Robin at Stealth Racing for giving me an early xmas present at the A2OC Rolling Road meet ....

I would like to inform all A2 Owners that have passed Stealthracing doors that if you have had a remap done recently then you are offered a Free upgrade to the latest map ......

I Was given a free upgrade as a complete surprise , and to think i nearly did not go becuase of work , Im so glad i attended ....

Stealtracing have once again made it clear to me that they are the tuning masters when it comes to all things A2 so if
your thinking of getting a remap done on your petrol or diesel A2 then i cant say enough about Stealths expertise or goodwill
Give Vince a ring You will not be dissapointed ...

They can know also offer a remap for the FSi as Ben will be able to tell you ....

Bring on ADi next year ive know got a few more bean's LOL :D

Stealth Racing
Before
85.8 bhp @ 4053rpm
163.1lb/ft @ 2569rpm
After
98.7 bhp @ 3288rpm
178.6lb/ft @ 2625rpm

New Performance Figures
110 bhp
189.6lb/ft

[ben]

They can know also offer a remap for the FSi as Ben will be able to tell you ....

Indeed they can. I only had the rolling road session before the remap - and this showed that my car was pretty much as delivered by the dealer (110.5bhp). I asked Vince for a gentle map - he bumped up the curves by about 5% in the higher rev range across most of the tunable parameters. After the remap, the power certainly feels available a little sooner. I want to monitor the fuel economy over the next couple of weeks before deciding on whether the extra power is worth it though. I'll be revisiting Stealth in the new year for a follow-up session to see if we need to tweak it further (up or down).

Ben

[shezlee]

Once again I am looking to have our TDI chipped; the first time it all went wrong, was booked in with AMD and 2 weeks before the date the gearbox failed.

I have been looking but I am not convinced, theres that little voice saying remember the gearbox and the bill for £2.5k (warranty).

So a few questions...

Does it add that much stress to the components - Engine, gearbox, clutch etc?
Does it dump out a lot a black smoke
Does it under normal driving have a huge effect on mpg
Have you lot told the insurance comanys if so how much extra

and how much is it.

[SimonT]

I had my 75 Tdi Sport re-mapped in the summer, and had the same concerns as you. The other one I had was around emmissions and whether the car would still pass the MOT.

There is bound to be an effect on the car's components, especially the turbo which has to work harder. But after talking to a few people decided it was on balance worth it. If you're going to drive the car hard with or without the re-map you're going to reduce longevity.

There seems to be no affect on emmissions, in fact when I had the MOT done after the re-map the first run showed a reading too low to register, and the guy had to do it again - he couldn't beleive how lean the engine was running. I have noticed it does push out more black stuff if you push the engine - it's burning more fuel (or not as the case may be!), but in normal driving there's no noticable difference.

MPG will suffer especially in the first few weeks - as you'll be too tempted to use the extra (significant) performance. But again in normal driving there's no difference. In fact I think I've gained couple of MPG on my motorway commute.

With the insurance it generally equates to the same increase in £s as the % increase in performance - so you're looking at 40% increase. But it is hard to see how any insurance company could know the work has been done - unless a) the drive it or b) read the map and know what the parameters should be. It's your call...

Personally I am delighted with the results. The car has been transformed, fair smoother, effortless, and will surprise many bigger cars on the motorway ( or anywhere else) when you pull away from them...!


Might be taking up the offer of teh free stealth upgrade!!

[A2 Golden Miler]

Of course the other way they might know is if you have sticker on the back of your car saying "tuned by Stealth Racing":D

[brutto 76]

Of course the other way they might know is if you have sticker on the back of your car saying "tuned by Stealth Racing":D

Or they read this thread. :eek:

[Blue Two]

Hi, I've just bought a 2003 TDi 75, in fact i've not even collected it from the dealer yet! I did two test drives in the car, one of which included 20 minutes on the motorway and I did notice the top end felt a little flat (compared to my other, bigger car). The addition of a tuning map seems the way to go...

What is the longest time / mileage anyone has had with the 100+ BHP re-map? One, two years max? Are there any long term affects? Turbo failure perhaps?

On an earlier post it was noticed after the re-map the car was running lean, on a petrol engine this can lead to problems, what affect does the fuel / air mixture have on a diesel?

Finally, do I need to mod other things to cope with the power, such as brakes, suspension etc.?

Hopefully I've bought a decent one, if not, expect a low milage, blue SE spec to be in the Thames Valley Autotrader soon!

[Skipton01]

Tank, my A2, has been re-mapped to around the 115-120 bhp mark for 3 years now with zero problems. Admittedley, that is starting off with a 90PS engine, not a 75, but I don't think that the longevity of any engine component is in doubt, of the mapping is carried out by a reputable tuner.

Cheers,

Mike

[Blue Two]

What is the difference mechanically between the 75 and the 90? Does the 90 come with a different ECU from Audi? I wanted the 90 with all the gizmos, but diesel A2s seem to be flying off the forecourts at the moment so I settled on a 75 as it was reasonable money an quite tidy.

[Skipton01]

With a re-mapped 75, you will have a pretty good approximation of the 90 anyway, only with a little more power, so don't fret about not getting the first choice.

There are many differences between the 75 and 90 PS cars, but the basic engine blocks are pretty much identical.

There are different turbos, exhaust manifolds and downpipes, different injectors, intercooler, clutch and flywheel. Oh and the gearboxes are different too!

There are probably other bits I've missed, but someone else will doubtless fill them in.

Cheers,

Mike

[Darren C]

I Would like to say a very big Thank You to Vince , John, & Robin at Stealth Racing for giving me an early xmas present at the A2OC Rolling Road meet ....

I would like to inform all A2 Owners that have passed Stealthracing doors that if you have had a remap done recently then you are offered a Free upgrade to the latest map ......

I Was given a free upgrade as a complete surprise , and to think i nearly did not go becuase of work , Im so glad i attended ....

Stealtracing have once again made it clear to me that they are the tuning masters when it comes to all things A2 so if
your thinking of getting a remap done on your petrol or diesel A2 then i cant say enough about Stealths expertise or goodwill
Give Vince a ring You will not be dissapointed ...

They can know also offer a remap for the FSi as Ben will be able to tell you ....

Bring on ADi next year ive know got a few more bean's LOL :D

Stealth Racing
Before
85.8 bhp @ 4053rpm
163.1lb/ft @ 2569rpm
After
98.7 bhp @ 3288rpm
178.6lb/ft @ 2625rpm

New Performance Figures
110 bhp
189.6lb/ft

Hi Carl,

Having had the new Stealth map for a few days now, I was just curious to know what your thoughts are on the revised performance?

I am all for the new ponies gain, but how does this compare in real day to day driving?

I ask because I can't decide whether to opt for this new map myself. In general I rely on the torque and rarely 'red line' the car and with my current figure so impressive...

Stealth Remap
BHP :- 100.2 @ 3822 rpm
Torque :- 213.4lbft @ 2182 rpm

... I am wondering whether I might lose out somewhat; needing to rev much higher to take advantage of the enhanced power. Besides which, this will now be a generic map where as my current one is car specific.

Thoughts appreciated.

Cheers mate.

Darren

[Emm]

Hi

Does anyone know the boost pressure from the turbo in standard format. either in PSI or Bar presssure. and if this is increased with the remap, what it then goes up to. Or is it all done by fuel increase?

[Skipton01]

Hi

Does anyone know the boost pressure from the turbo in standard format. either in PSI or Bar presssure. and if this is increased with the remap, what it then goes up to. Or is it all done by fuel increase?

It's not as easy as that - there are loads of parameters that are modified in some way, smoke, boost, fuelling, EGR rates, throttle positions etc.

A good tuner, such as Vince at Stealth, will tweak many of these parameters to obtain the best possible combination of power, economy and driveability.

A bad tuner will just up the boost and increase fuelling, with no regard to what effect these have on things like smoke output and driveability.

Cheers.

Mike

[Emm]

Sounds good, I keep thinking about it and then the "i'm keeping it for 10 years" springs to mind and I back off. I am starting to see more positives then potential negative now though:D

[driveforward]

Sounds good, I keep thinking about it and then the "i'm keeping it for 10 years" springs to mind and I back off. I am starting to see more positives then potential negative now though:D

There's little to loose* and everything to gain with a reputable remap

* = apart from paying for it!

[Skipton01]

Sounds good, I keep thinking about it and then the "i'm keeping it for 10 years" springs to mind and I back off. I am starting to see more positives then potential negative now though:D

10 years, is that all? I'll be keeping Tank until one of us dies, and it'll probably be me first!

Have a word with Vince@Stealth or Sarah@Awesome for an idea of how to proceed.

Cheers,

Mike

[Emm]

lol

Yeah I say ten years but I'm nearly half way there and the car still feels like new, so I think I will be keeping it longer! I will give the chap at Stealth a call soon

[wooly A2]

10 years, is that all? I'll be keeping Tank until one of us dies, and it'll probably be me first!

Have a word with Vince@Stealth or Sarah@Awesome for an idea of how to proceed.

Cheers,

MikeIll give it 10 years as long as me back can still take it LOL !!!

[wooly A2]

Hi Carl,

Having had the new Stealth map for a few days now, I was just curious to know what your thoughts are on the revised performance?

I am all for the new ponies gain, but how does this compare in real day to day driving?

I ask because I can't decide whether to opt for this new map myself. In general I rely on the torque and rarely 'red line' the car and with my current figure so impressive...

Stealth Remap
BHP :- 100.2 @ 3822 rpm
Torque :- 213.4lbft @ 2182 rpm

... I am wondering whether I might lose out somewhat; needing to rev much higher to take advantage of the enhanced power. Besides which, this will now be a generic map where as my current one is car specific.

Thoughts appreciated.

Cheers mate.

Darren
My car was re-remapped at the weekend , Most of the week i use the workvan so the A2 stays on the drive most of the time , Everytime i do get in it i just cant stop smiling ....
I now see the A2 as a bit of a Wolf in Sheeps clothing especially since Vince once again worked his magic ..On occasion i've had a few people at work taking the schmichael out of my car but everyone who has had a laugh at my expense i have silenced them with the performance from my car ........So when i told them i had an extra 10bhp guess what i now have people queing up wanting a drive LOL !!!!

Darren C with a torque figure of 213lb/ft I Personally would leave it at that if i could have got 213lb/ft and 100Bhp i would have also been well happy why would you want to change it ......Its the Torque that gives you the feeling of power and throws you back in your seat ....

On the question what is it like driving day to day well it depends on how you want to drive , if its just a case of popping down to the shops for a pint of milk then it just feels like any other A2 , But if on the way to the shop some Nice person cuts you up and you want to do a bit of Rubbing then the extra power is Very Useful if you know what i mean , I do have to hold myself back and try and keep the revs down to just over 2000 Rpm or else ive noticed a slight thirst for fuel ....Im not sure if the acceleration is as good lower down the rev range as before but I have noticed the power band has risen and revs much higher but once up above 2500 it just keeps on going and going and going ....Great for overtaking ...

One of the things i noticed when i first got my A2 was how bad the brakes where so if your thinking of going down the remap route you may want to upgrade your brakes as i have done , Suspension also makes a big difference in the handling department .....And makes for a much safer all round package .....

The way i look at it is how many other cars can you have this much fun in and i mean fun for £35 Tax and i take great pleasure in telling my friends when they come to Taxing there Gaz Guzzlers ....

[bluepassion]

have we now got to start a 110bhp club:D:D:D

[wooly A2]

I Like it how about the Ton Up Club:D

[Darren C]

Darren C with a torque figure of 213lb/ft I Personally would leave it at that if i could have got 213lb/ft and 100Bhp i would have also been well happy why would you want to change it ....

Totally agree mate - the torque suits my driving style more than extra horses would.

Thanks for such a comprehensive reply - had to ask the question just in case... ;)

Cheers,

Darren

[wooly A2]

Hey Torquey Boy Tin Tin
will we be seeing you and Di on the track next year :p

[driveforward]

Hey Torquey Boy Tin Tin
will we be seeing you and Di on the track next year :p

One thing's for sure, I won't be going anywhere near a track if you're on it unless you are carrying success ballast

[wooly A2]

One thing's for sure, I won't be going anywhere near a track if you're on it unless you are carrying success ballastTut if it makes you feel happier i will carry a spare wheel next year LOL !!!

[Darren C]

Hey Torquey Boy Tin Tin
will we be seeing you and Di on the track next year :p

The only torque that I do is 'talk' mate - not brave enough to risk the ol' girl out there and walk the walk - especially when your rear view mirror is filled with 'pine green A2'... :D

[shezlee]

HaZeL goes in tomorrow.

Though she's not playing fair; she's started to rumble under heavy braking, she's fine on the normal to-from work trips, its only when on the duel carrageways when breaking from 60+ etc, but then not right away.

Could it be the rear shoes?

Anyhow will ask tomorrow..

Well good news and bad;

Good news is that I dont have any problems with the brakes - not now the fronts have been replaced and the rears cleaned and adjusted.

Bad news is that she was not well enough to be remapped - see new thread on intercooler failure

[clong]

Took my TDi sport down to Stealth on Friday, results below:

Before:
BHP:78.3@3605
lb ft:161.5@2351

After
BHP:101@3784
lb ft:205.3@2217

Certainly improved the car overall, drives far better and overtaking on the motorway are a lot easier. Big thanks to Vince and the guys at stealth, proper job.

[noodlefreak]

I've joined the stealth club too!! Was in on Saturday to see what Vince could do for me.

Before:

81.4@4079
154.6@2340


After:
106.7@3321
177.5@2630


Bit disapointed by the Torque figures, but the air filter looks a bit dirty. So thinking about an upgrade to that. Cars not been serviced yet as its only done 16k. but smiles all around. :p


Alan

[shezlee]

She's mapped....

Before
BHP 79.5@4046
lb ft 154.3@2280

After
BHP 105.4@3510
lb ft 177.3@2638

As with all these figures these are a peak point on a graph and don't show the point/band at which 100BHP is crossed and matained or the point that 170 lb ft is passed these are with a little interpretation from the graphs

BHP 100+@3050 - 4100
lb ft 170+@2000 - 3150

[Skipton01]

Good figures there, but interestingly, the intercooler doesn't seem to have made much (if any) difference to the result, which is a shame.

The new intercooler looks substantially thicker than the old one, so presumably has a more pronounced cooling effect, but this doesn't seem to have translated into extra power or torque, meaning that it isn't the limiting factor in the equation.

So, it looks like a bigger turbo is the way forward, along with a forced air induction system (if a way around the vacuum problem can be found).

Cheers,

Mike

[Emm]

Good figures there, but interestingly, the intercooler doesn't seem to have made much (if any) difference to the result, which is a shame.

The new intercooler looks substantially thicker than the old one, so presumably has a more pronounced cooling effect, but this doesn't seem to have translated into extra power or torque, meaning that it isn't the limiting factor in the equation.

So, it looks like a bigger turbo is the way forward, along with a forced air induction system (if a way around the vacuum problem can be found).

Cheers,

Mike

From my R5 turbo days the intercooler never had much of an effect on a stationary test, due to the cooling effect. So you might see far better result on the real road.

[Adrian888]

Is there any difference with results on EU3 and EU4 compliant TDi 75 engines? The results posted seem to vary significantly on torque.....Haven't checked V5 yet but my TDi 75 should be EU4 compliant ( its an 04 plate sport) and just wondered if the changes to acheive the cleaner exhaust limit what can be acheived with remapping?

Where are Staelth and how much is thier re-map? I thought Awesome were supposed to be the mutz nutz with re-mapping A2's?!

[shezlee]

Good figures there, but interestingly, the intercooler doesn't seem to have made much (if any) difference to the result, which is a shame.

The new intercooler looks substantially thicker than the old one, so presumably has a more pronounced cooling effect, but this doesn't seem to have translated into extra power or torque, meaning that it isn't the limiting factor in the equation.

So, it looks like a bigger turbo is the way forward, along with a forced air induction system (if a way around the vacuum problem can be found).

Cheers,

Mike

If memory serves me correctly the TDI has the Garrett GT15 Turbo and according to various websites this unit is sold as a 100 - 220BHP unit so I dont think a turbo upgrade is necessary.

I do think the amount of air flow into the engine could be greatly increased..

Air intake - In front of front wheel
Turbo - behind engine - this is not going to move
intercooler - infront of engine - position could be altered
inlet manifold - fixed position

There is a vast amount of air ducting - one complete lap of the engine; and its not a big diameter duct - I would start hear as you have already sorted out the exhaust side..

[Skipton01]

If memory serves me correctly the TDI has the Garrett GT15 Turbo and according to various websites this unit is sold as a 100 - 220BHP unit so I dont think a turbo upgrade is necessary.

I do think the amount of air flow into the engine could be greatly increased..

Air intake - In front of front wheel
Turbo - behind engine - this is not going to move
intercooler - infront of engine - position could be altered
inlet manifold - fixed position

There is a vast amount of air ducting - one complete lap of the engine; and its not a big diameter duct - I would start hear as you have already sorted out the exhaust side..
Yes, I know what you're saying and induction will be the only thing I'd consider now. One thing though, on the TDi 90, the inlet is under the service flap, not by the front wheel.

It does do a couple of 180* turns from there though, which probably isn't needed, before exiting, and then there's the return journey to the front and the intercooler, before heading off again to the back, so surely some improvement can be made.

Cheers,

Mike

[ULP]

Is there any difference with results on EU3 and EU4 compliant TDi 75 engines?

It seems the earlier engine can be tuned more for top-end power where as the EU4 crs give a broader spread of torque.

[Adrian888]

Not being totally convinced with my tuning box was thinking of going down the Awesome route along with FSD and 'front brake improvements. Thought the forum had a discount scheme with Awesome, when I spoke to them on Saturday all I was offered was a £50 discount from the total price of all the work.....

[Skipton01]

Not being totally convinced with my tuning box was thinking of going down the Awesome route along with FSD and 'front brake improvements. Thought the forum had a discount scheme with Awesome, when I spoke to them on Saturday all I was offered was a £50 discount from the total price of all the work.....

On the actual remap, there is a discount, but on general work, including fitting the usual prices apply.

However, when you take a look at those prices, they#re hard to beat: £293 for a full set of FSDs and labour at about £45 per hour - can't be bad!

PM Brads for the details of how to get the discount on the remap.

Cheers,

Mike

[MatiasMandango]

Had the car remapped yesterday at Stealth

old figures:-
81.1 BHP
157.3 TORQUE

new figures:-
104.5BHP
181.6 TORQUE

Very impressed with the speed of service and the final result, makes a big difference....nice 'whistle' noise from the turbo now too :D

As everyone has it now pulls right though the rev range too

Its a 1.4 2001 TDi by the way, thanks to the guys at Stealth!!

[clubsport]

I had a quick look on the forum and Stealth seem to be the way forward, unfortunately I couldn't find any contact details?

Looking on Google I found a compant called Stealth in Avon..is that the one?

I would be grateful if someone could give me an idea on recent cost, eothe PM or email if it is not forum etiquette.....cheers :)

[Darren C]

I had a quick look on the forum and Stealth seem to be the way forward, unfortunately I couldn't find any contact details?

Looking on Google I found a compant called Stealth in Avon..is that the one?

I would be grateful if someone could give me an idea on recent cost, eothe PM or email if it is not forum etiquette.....cheers :)

Click here me ol' mate...

http://www.stealthracing.co.uk/locate.php

Cheers,

Darren

[clubsport]

many Thanks Darren, I will give them a call.

[jon_273]

Hi, new member here. I recently took my Lupo TDi to Stealth for a remap. I chose them since they have lots of experience of working with the 1.4 TDi, plus there are lots of positive reviews from people on here. I felt comfortable with them working on my car, which is not something I can say about many garages!

Power:
old - 81.2 @ 3110
new - 108.9 @ 3339

Torque:
old - 162.9 @ 2317
new - 179.1 @ 2202

I had a 190 mile trip each way but it was worth it:). The only thing is that the power starts to drop off again higher up in rev range, Vince said the A2's tend to hold their power for longer, which could be down to the air filter and intake piping. I'm going to try and relocate the air intake behind the front grill like on the A2 TDi 90.

[SantfeKuss]

Getting mine done by www.supertuning.co.uk at 9 am tomorrow (wednesday) , having a day off work so thought I'd book it in. Read good reports about him on a VW Golf forum so will see how it goes. Quoted me £250, and I'll ask him about some K & N Air filters as well, see if they help. ;)