Stud Pattern Mismatch ??

[cemo99]

I recently brought a set of second hand 15" alloys from ebay advertised for A2 like the ones on this car http://www.autointell.com/european_companies/volkswagen/audi-ag/audi-cars/audi-a2/audi_a2_hinten.jpg
However they aren't a straight swap for the standard 6 spoke 16" alloys on my 2001 SE car as the stud patterns differ

Does anyone know if the stud patterns alter or have changed or do you think I have just been sold wheels off another Audi model ??

Thanks

[Skipton01]

All A2 wheels, be they 15", 16" or 17" are 5-stud, 100mm PCD, so something is wrong somewhere!

Take a look at the part number, which should be cast into the area near the stud holes and report back - we'll get to the bottom of it yet.

Cheers,

Mike

[cemo99]

Hi Mike
Thanks for the quick response - I love this site, I only wish I'd found it sooner !!

I believe the part number is 8EO 601 025

The other info stamped in is:
7Jx15 H2 ET39
FCO "UUU" looks like joined greek letters similar to 3 u's
10/03 on 3 and 50/02 on 1
AS10 62
34812 a

Appreciate your help

Chris

[Skipton01]

I believe the part number is 8EO 601 025

Appreciate your help

Chris

Say no more - you've been sold A4 wheels which have a PCD of 112mm, so all the holes are going to be out - they'll never fit.

If the listing specifically said that they'd fit A2s, then get your money back.

Cheers,

Mike

[cemo99]

Thanks very much for the info
I'll be off to ebay feedback then !!
Chris

[A2 Golden Miler]

Hi Chris,
Have you emailed the seller, it may be a genuine mistake (the whole wheel thing with Audis is confusing to the uninitiated :confused:)
My experience of ebay "mistakes" is they are best sorted by nice "I think you may have made a mistake" type correspondence 1st. If you paid via your credit card / paypal and they were misrepresented you may have recourse there also

[cemo99]

Thanks for the positive advice
Chris

[RACHEL WEST]

hi
does anyone know if alloys off a 2001 a3 will fit on an a2 ?
manufactures number is 8LO 601 025P ...........tyre size 195 65 15"
thanks

[Skipton01]

Hello Rachel, The wheels will fit, but the tyres are too big to go without rubbing (in fact I'd be surprised if they physically went in under the arches).

The biggest you can go for without issues is a diameter of 610mm, which equates to about a 195/55 tyre.

Cheers,

Mike

[tdiman]

Yes they should, I had a set of 16" sports of an A3 they were fine after a bit of fettling with a wheel space, the clearance to the front struts were a bit too tight, with the 195 tyre you may be lucky I had the 205's As Skipton01 says you will need to address the tyre size, I ran 205 50 16's which are 5% smaller in the aspect ration, i.e the A3 rims had 205/55/16 as opposed to the 205/50/16 I had, if you get a set of 16" rims I still have the set of tyres which are about 1/4 warn if you're interested,
Mike

[erstens]

All A2 wheels, be they 15", 16" or 17" are 5-stud, 100mm PCD, so something is wrong somewhere!


This is right but don't forget the 1,2TDi which has 4-stud 100mm;)
...and verry special 4,5J14 rims...

For cemo99: The original rims, like on the image (I have them for the winter) are 5,5J15. ET34mm.
But there are also 6J15" ET35mm (I think). They also fit. I don't know others.

I see yours are 7J15!! This is to wide. I have never seen these ones. You bought the wrong rims, not for the A2.

The original 5,5J15 (only made for the Audi A2) are verry rare.

[A2 Golden Miler]

Chris,
Have you had any response from the seller yet ? let us know how you get on. Does the seller sell much Audi stuff ? If he does sell a lot of A2 stuff you can always advise him a whole OC is waiting to see the outcome.
We could produce an "our experiences" ebay highs and lows section where we can record our experiences based on the same method as ebay
:D :rolleyes: :mad: - no comments therefore no risk of litigation

[RACHEL WEST]

thanks guys !

[cemo99]

No response yet !

Chris

[RACHEL WEST]

me again
if i got the 15 inch alloys, does anyone know what size tyres i would need to put on them to fit my a2 ?

[Skipton01]

The standard tyre size (as per factory fit) is 175/60 R 15, so that would be the best bet.

You could juggle things a little to give yourself more choice of tyres, maybe something like 195/55 R 15 which would give more alloy protection but do check with individual manufacturers as to what the permitted rim width is for their tyres (the rim width for the 15" A2 wheel is 5.5J = 5.5 inches).

Cheers,

Mike

[RACHEL WEST]

thanks im looking at some alloys from an a3 1998-2003 ? 15"
but they have 195/65 tyres on them? so i would need to change them wouldnt i ?

[Skipton01]

thanks im looking at some alloys from an a3 1998-2003 ? 15"
but they have 195/65 tyres on them? so i would need to change them wouldnt i ?

Yes.

As a rule, things like the TT and A3 (old 8L type) had wheels and tyres fitted that took the rolling radius to about the 635-645mm mark. The A2 can manage 610-620mm maximum without rubbing issues so unless the wheels were fitted with smaller than standard tyres for some reason, you'll always have to change them when you buy a second-hand set.

Cheers,

Mike

[RACHEL WEST]

195/55 tyres are looking cheaper than 175/60 ?
do you think it would be ok to put 195/55 on them ?
thanks

[Skipton01]

Yes, that's why I mentioned it in the first reply - as long as the manufacturer recommends a rim width of 5.5 inches for their 195/55 tyres.

Look at the individual manufacturer wbsites for this info.

You'll generally get better grip and handling with the wider tyre, but economy will suffer a little, as there is more rolling resistance due to the extra rubber in contact with the tarmac.

Cheers,

Mike

[RACHEL WEST]

thanks so much for your help :-)

[Skipton01]

You're very welcome.

If you want ultra cheap, take a look at the Nankang NS2 - a decent tyre that is suited to 5.5" rims and is £35 a corner from Mytyres.

Cheer,s

mike

[RACHEL WEST]

thanks, ill give it a go !
x

[John H]

I've fitted 195/55 x 15 tyres (Continentals) on 6" x 15" old style A3 wheels, and I reckon it is an excellent combination.

Nice to see another supporter of Nankang tyres too, an excellent budget tyre, far better than the price would suggest. I have used them on various VW's and even on my old Porsche 924S with great success. Marschal, Federal, Khumo are all very good too. There is a lot of badge snobbery in tyres, many of the cheaper tyres are far better than folk realise.

[unipower]

I'm slightly in danger of going off-topic here.......
I have the standard UK base model fit ie 15in 5.5in wide 7 spokes with 175/60 tyres. Other correspondents have commented that it is easy to slightly distort the inner rim by hitting a pothole; and also that these wheels do seem lightweight.
This is presumably what Audi intended - light as they dare. This has the advantage of keeping the overall vehicle weight down*; and additionally the unsprung weight down for better suspension control and comfort.
This light weight (and perhaps better brake cooling) was the original reason for adoption of alloy wheels in the 1960s. Recent experience on another vehicle made me realise that the improvements in design for basic steel wheels meant that my replacement alloys were no lighter than the steels!
This 'unsprung weight' business is relevant in the basic suspension design. The unsprung mass (wheel, tyre, hub, caliper etc) is used in the calculation for the 'spring-mass-damper' system that gives the suspension characteristics. Included in this is the tyre-wall stiffness.
The late LJK Setright drew this to 'car' magazine readers' attention some 20 years ago.
In addition he made the point that with signficantly wider wheels & lower profile tyres, there is a risk that the tyre contact patch area may be significantly reduced as the vehicle rolls/suspension deflects.
The point of this message? When changing the wheels & tyres (away from the A2 options), think about what you are after, and watch out for unexpected side effects!

*the July 2001 A2 price list shows the vehicle weight penalty (and effect on CO2 emissions):-
Changing to 16in 6in wide with 185/60 tyres (SE standard fit) adds 11.8kg
Changing to 17in 9 spoke with 205/40 tyres (Sport fit) adds 20.6kg (with sports suspension)

[RACHEL WEST]

me again, does anyone konw if some 16" alloys from a v reg a3 would fit my a2 ?

[Skipton01]

They should do, but can you be more precise as to the exact wheel, as there were lots of 16" wheels used in 1999 on the A3.

They all tend to have offsets of around 42-44mm, but as they are nearly all 7" wide, the clearances should be OK. Stud number and diameter are fine.

Note that this advice is for wheels only - the tyres used may take the overall dimensions over and above that which is safe to use.

Cheers,

Mike

[RACHEL WEST]

they have 205/55 tyres at the moment, which i know i would need to change, the guy whos selling them hasnt said much about the size of the alloy itself ! what do i need to know ?
kind regards

[RACHEL WEST]

oh i give up, think i will just wait and keep my eyes open for some propper a2 ones
thanks