Intake manifold flap V157

hughchadd

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Hi

I've started to have my 1.4 diesel serviced and repaired by Welsh VW in Barry. They tell me that I've got fault P3103 indicating the need to replace the motorised intake manifold flap V157. The part from Audi is £350+ but I understand that an OEM or clone can be bought for less. Does anyone have any experience of the fault, or know where I can get the component at a sensible price?

Thank you

Hugh
 
Thanks Spike. If I'm going to buy one anywhere other than from Audi, I'll need to confirm with Welsh VW what I should buy. The pic should help with this.
 
I had this part replaced on my car about a 1-2 years ago. I've got the electronic manifold flap. I think it cost me £400 roughly and that was for the part and fitting of it.
 
Thanks <amy21>

I've just had the EGR valve replaced and was trying to keep my costs down. But as I intent to keep the car as long as I can, I may just have to bite the bullet and buy the part from Audi.
 
Fault P3103 - 19559 - V157 intake manifold flap - control deviation

I've just had the EGR valve replaced and was trying to keep my costs down. But as I intent to keep the car as long as I can, I may just have to bite the bullet and buy the part from Audi.

Did you end up going the Audi route?

I've got the same fault (P3103 - 19559) [and have also just put in a brand new EGR valve] and am thinking of buying this used part (which seems to be the right one) from ebay:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/351501741684?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT

There's a big price difference, but maybe not worth the trouble if it doesn't actually work.

Would I be better off first asking a garage to spend, say, an hour to clean the unit up and check the electrical connections on the electronic manifold flap - and only then move forward, if necessary, with buying a new/second hand part?

Any thoughts, please?
 
Did you end up going the Audi route?

I've got the same fault (P3103 - 19559) [and have also just put in a brand new EGR valve] and am thinking of buying this used part (which seems to be the right one) from ebay:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/351501741684?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT

There's a big price difference, but maybe not worth the trouble if it doesn't actually work.

Would I be better off first asking a garage to spend, say, an hour to clean the unit up and check the electrical connections on the electronic manifold flap - and only then move forward, if necessary, with buying a new/second hand part?

Any thoughts, please?

Is this fault actually causing you any problems with the running of the car? I've had the same fault crop up now and again and it makes no difference whatsoever to the way the car runs. It may be because my TDI is a BHC code engine and therefore has the seperate anti-shudder valve.
 
Is this fault actually causing you any problems with the running of the car? I've had the same fault crop up now and again and it makes no difference whatsoever to the way the car runs. It may be because my TDI is a BHC code engine and therefore has the seperate anti-shudder valve.

As it happens, no, car runs and handles perfectly (though perhaps mpg not quite as high as I'd like).

But the 'shudder' each time when turning the engine off is a bit disconcerting (has been like this now since last August).

I thought I'd cracked the problem a few weeks ago by getting a new EGR valve (supply and fit costing around £150 all in), but the wretched EML warning light is still [constantly on] showing a fault.

Obviously reluctant to have to fork out around £350 for a new 'throttle body', but there may be a cheaper way to resolve (assuming that it's not really 'safe' to completely ignore, but maybe I can ....).
 
Hi dlp,

Your profile suggests you drive a 2005 TDI75, which will have the later BHC engine rather than the earlier AMF engine.

The AMF's anti-shudder valve (ASV) and EGR valve are built into one complete assembly. It therefore isn't possible to replace either valve without replacing the other.
However, the BHC's ASV is separate from the EGR valve. Therefore, if your EGR valve was replaced in an effort to cure an EML issue relating to the ASV, it will have been done needlessly, unfortunately. The garage who did the job seemingly didn't do their homework and proceeded without having their eyes open. It's quite clear when looking at the BHC's EGR valve that the anti-shudder valve isn't part of it.

The BHC's ASV is driven by an electric motor whereas the AMF's ASV is operated by vacuum. Having the ASV and the EGR separated is an advantage of the BHC engine, but unfortunately the electrically operated ASV is less reliable than the earlier vacuum operated version found on the AMF engine.

Edit: For completeness, I'll add that the ASV and EGR layout on the ATL engine (TDI90) mirrors the layout of the BHC engine.

Cheers,

Tom
 
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However, the BHC's ASV is separate from the EGR valve. Therefore, if your EGR valve was replaced in an effort to cure an EML issue relating to the ASV, it will have been done needlessly, unfortunately. The garage who did the job seemingly didn't do their homework and proceeded without having their eyes open. It's quite clear when looking at the BHC's EGR valve that the anti-shudder valve isn't part of it.

The BHC's ASV is driven by an electric motor whereas the AMF's ASV is operated by vacuum. Having the ASV and the EGR separated is an advantage of the BHC engine, but unfortunately the electrically operated ASV is less reliable than the earlier vacuum operated version found on the AMF engine.

This is incredibly helpful, thanks a lot, Tom.

I'd basically taken the diagnostic advice last year of a [now I have confirmed] not too brilliant local-but-convenient 'generalist' garage and asked (more accurately insisted, more fool me) my [excellent but further-away] VW/Audi specialist independent to simply fit the [Pierburg] EGR valve [that I'd managed to buy online at a much cheaper price than the Audi official part].

No surprise, then, that I am where I am (moral: always trust the real experts!).

Given what you say, is there any use in me asking a garage to see if they can 'clean up' or 'check the electrics' of my existing ASV (manifold flap 'throttle body', as it seems to be called by the parts people), in the hope that they discover it doesn't need replacing after all (and can therefore eliminate the EML warning light)?

Or would that attempted cost-saving effort be a total waste of time - just better get on and buy the new part and be done with it?

As the car's driving perfectly OK (and has just got through its MOT), do you think any further work on this can safely be postponed until I've saved up some more cash?
 
This is incredibly helpful, thanks a lot, Tom.

You're very welcome. I'm glad it's helped. :)

Given what you say, is there any use in me asking a garage to see if they can 'clean up' or 'check the electrics' of my existing ASV (manifold flap 'throttle body', as it seems to be called by the parts people), in the hope that they discover it doesn't need replacing after all (and can therefore eliminate the EML warning light)?

Or would that attempted cost-saving effort be a total waste of time - just better get on and buy the new part and be done with it?

As the car's driving perfectly OK (and has just got through its MOT), do you think any further work on this can safely be postponed until I've saved up some more cash?

The term 'throttle body' is somewhat inaccurate in this case, though I understand why people use the term. A throttle body is a part of the air intake system that controls the amount of air flowing into the engine. It's basically a butterfly valve that can introduce a variable obstruction into the pipework, thus regulating the airflow. In a petrol engine, where the amount of air fed into the cylinders needs to be precisely controlled, the butterfly valve can be moved to any position to finely adjust the extent to which the flow of air is obstructed.
Our TDI engines run 'wide open'. In other words, there's no need to regulate the flow of air into the engine; maximum air is always OK. As such, there is no throttle body. However, when you switch the engine off, it's best to starve the engine of both fuel and air. Starving the engine of air at shut-off is performed by the anti-shudder valve, which is basically a throttle body that only has two positions: completely open or completely closed. Finely controlled, intermediate positions aren't required.

When driving, having a failed anti-shudder valve is no problem. The anti-shudder valve only performs its job when you switch off the ignition. You'll find that your engine shudders to a halt rather than stopping smoothly.

The major problem with a failed anti-shudder valve is that it's also there as a safety net. Let's imagine that your turbo seals failed, causing hot oil to be allowed into the engine's air supply. If your car isn't able to block the air supply at shut-off (due to a failed ASV), then the engine would continue to be fed both the ingredients it needs to run: air and fuel (the hot oil!). You'd have no control over the engine and it could rev itself to death. As such, when shutting off an engine with a failed ASV, you should depress the clutch, engage 5th gear and be ready to lift the clutch and stall the engine should it continue to run after you've switched off the ignition.

I'm yet to look into refurbishment possibilities for the electronic anti-shudder valve fitted to the BHC and ATL engines, but I'm sure it's possible. I imagine you can pick up a replacement from a breaker with relative ease and fitting is a quick job.

Let me know if I can be of any further help. I'm not too far from you.

Cheers,

Tom
 
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Hi,
Just replaced the Anti shudder valve (V157) on a 1.4 TDi BCH engine.
(vcds lite showed: Inlet manifold flap (V157) malfunction)

Car was OK on main roads, but around town in 2/3 gear violent "jerking" - difficult to drive.
- conclude the ASV has a role when changing gear, to maybe bring the engine revs down faster?

- 132K on the clock, 11 years old now. The nylon gears on the valve had worn out. Looked like not a home job to recondition it!
- Got genuine VDO new replacement from "All German parts" in Leeds £215+ (same part Audi supplies)
- Easy to fit.
- no recalibration needed
(recalibration is just for petrol engine throttle bodies - this car ECU is running language KWP-1281, and there is no measuring block channel 060, and no other equivalent )
 
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My shudder valve stopped working. Cleaned it and reinstalled. No help.

My wife's son took it apart. Large gearwheel has had it's teeth stripped. The crap and **** from EGR had partially jammed the ASV flap, and the mechanics must have had an awful stressful days in working against this egr crap.

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Well..... we have this Chinese 3D printer in the corner he has been playing with a few months. The young man scetched the new design in about 30-45mins and started pilot production run. 1 hr later it was ready. The new gearwheel is waiting the glue to cure. I am excited. I wanna see if this thing actually works!!!!!

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