Open Sky System question

Hi All

I have just picked up my 2001 1.4 A2, a 200mile plus journey from Leeds.

It currently has a fully working open sky system, and I would just like to know if there are any things I can do to keep it that way. Maintenance, grease, service etc?

Thank you
 
Hi

i am sure that one of the members who know the OSS in detail will be along shortly, it is quiet at the weekend (please can you delete one of the duplicate posts though)

lots of us know the OSS but we have one or two experts that will give you a definitive answer.

The best advice (once you are sure it is working correctly) is to use it often. The rubbers stick a little.

As for where to apply lubrication and what to use, people Like Ton (Timmus) and Tony of A2 Cars will be able to help I am sure.

Welcome to the forum and don't worry too much about the duplicate post, I assume that you thought your first post was lost?

Best Wishes
Steve B
 
Great thank you, I have deleted my previous post. I look forward to the advice/replies.

I posted a list of VAG recommended lubricants, part numbers and costs and clearance of the drainage channels but it seems in deleting your previous post my reply was deleted too!

Am sure you will receive all the help you need as has been said. My 2001 OSS car was very wet when bought but is now bone dry and used regularly.
 
I posted a list of VAG recommended lubricants, part numbers and costs and clearance of the drainage channels but it seems in deleting your previous post my reply was deleted too!

Am sure you will receive all the help you need as has been said. My 2001 OSS car was very wet when bought but is now bone dry and used regularly.

If you get a chance would you mind re-posting in this thread thank you
 
Hi All

I have just picked up my 2001 1.4 A2, a 200mile plus journey from Leeds.

It currently has a fully working open sky system, and I would just like to know if there are any things I can do to keep it that way. Maintenance, grease, service etc?

Thank you

Sunroof systems, and especially the OSS, require regular maintenance to ensure longevity. An annual service by a qualified sunroof specialist will suffice and will also help to identify possible issues before they become major headaches.

The greatest enemy of sunroof systems are dirt/debris and vibrations. Many "experts" layer tonnes of grease hoping that will ensure smooth sunroof operation when the exact opposite is all that is required. Using the correct (Audi only) lubricant, in the correct quantity and at the key areas is paramount. Many members on this forum advocate higher tyre pressures to promote better fuel consumption results - this makes the rider firmer/harsher resulting in vibrations being transferred to the OSS (where fitted) with negative results. This holds true for suspension systems that are tuned for a firmer/harsher ride. Rattles and squeaks from such set-ups cannot be rectified.

We offer a full service and adjustment for the Audi A2 OSS, carried out at our workshops in Milton Keynes. This can be combined with other work as required. Apart from being a fully trained, qualified and insured automotive engineer, I am also a professional sunroof technician and am very well versed in the workings of the A2 OSS.

blue skies
tony
 
Great thank you Tony, that sounds great.

Please can you let me know how much the annual service of the OSS will cost, and also a general yearly service (the cambelt was done last year on our A2)

Private message me if required

David
 
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As requested I will repeat the reply I gave on Sunday that was deleted!

Audi market a 'Special lubricant for sliding/tilting roofs' that you can order from your dealer. It is a 90g tube, Part no.G 000 450 02. it costs over £20.

Another product from VAG, made by Dow Corning in the States to sort out problems with the VW EOS roof leaks caused by seals drying out and loosing their suppleness is another Special Lubricant, 30 ml applicator bottle, Part no G 052 172 A1. It is recommended for application to the soft door seals on convertibles to maintain suppleness and their ability to keep out water. This I use on all my A2 door seals. cost is approx. £40. I bought mine from VW but it is also available from www.gbrtech.co.uk as Dupont KRYTOX GPL105 lubricant. and was £46.20 in Dec 2013. It has an unlimited shelf life if kept sealed in original container after use.

Both of these products need to be used very sparingly and you will be wiping them off each year due to contamination with dust, fine sand etc before re-applying, otherwise you will have an effective 'grinding paste'.........a definite no no!

Using the OSS regularly when clean and lubricated helps to maintain its working condition. Common sense also helps too.
DO NOT OPERATE if you suspect it could be frozen or frost is imminent as you could strip cogs or break cables. Don't forget to also keep door glass clean and lubricated to reduce strain on electric motors and manual winders too.

My A2 was registered on 3/3/2002 and has no record of sunroof maintenance but as it was Audi Dealer maintained by the first lady owner for 6 years it probably was although not noted. The second lady owner didn't use an Audi dealer but the recommended services were done and noted. They were both very careful owners and the original carpets had extra Audi carpets and rubber ones too.

Present Mileage 117118

It goes without saying but I've always given my cars a service when bought s/h just to be sure. Replaced the Fuel filter over the weekend. Awkward with just rear wheels on ramps but fuel loss was minimal as SPIKE had posted. It was genuine Audi, appeared clean and when cut open, could have remained in situ, but peace of mind etc........

Forgot to mention. Get a 2mm cycle inner brake/gear cable to keep the OSS drainage channels free of debris They are on the four corners of the open OSS. Best to silver solder the wire end to prevent fraying and round it off. Twist is as you push it down gently while you pour warm water down too. If clear water will run out under the front wheel arches.If it binds it may be blocked with too much silicone when perhaps an aftermarket windscreen was fitted as mine was.
Water was backing up to the tup of the 'A' pillar flowing over into the passenger side from where it was distributed around pass. door seals inside the car over the cill, behind the footwell panel over the electronics and into the underfloor compartment. Fortunately the thick and carpet foam held it until all was removed when 10 SPONTEX Sponges( buy directmail order,) kept water at t bay until I could wring out every morning as necessary.

I discovered a temporary solution was to insert a cocktail stick between exterior 'A'frame pillar and the black closed cell foam that is attached to the windscreen to create a gap preventing the water from backing up the blocked passenger drainage channel....At least until I could get up to Stoke Audi to have a genuine new windscreen fitted under their supervision.
Result a bone dry A2.
The rear OSS drainage channels were OK as they drain round the hatchback but do rod them in case,........Enjoy!
 
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OSS etc

Additional info.

All of the various comments I had read about where other owners had found water in their A2's such as on the bulkhead where their feet were, along a bulkhead seam on both pass and drivers side ALL came from the drainage water not clearing down the two windscreen drainage holes. I would not have thought it credible and was amazed when it was finnaly completely dry. It really was a joyous moment. I even looked forward to checking it after our heavy Welsh rain.
.I'd even considered just having rubber mats that I could remove to mop out and drilling holes in the two under floor compartments for drainage as by this time I wanted to keep the car at any price. Ir has been costly in time to sort but hopefully you will save a little time from my posts
 
And one more observation I would like to make .... The inner sun-screen ... I've fully removed mine quite some time ago. "Let the light in" I say! But the real plus of this is with improved access to the rear seals/rubber surround of the Open-Sky! It really does help with periodic cleaning and lubrication .... Regarding that screen .... I can't really understand this? :- If the rear of the car has a clear glass panel above seated rear passengers, then why have it permanently obscured by a screen?

David
 
And one more observation I would like to make .... The inner sun-screen ... I've fully removed mine quite some time ago. "Let the light in" I say! But the real plus of this is with improved access to the rear seals/rubber surround of the Open-Sky! It really does help with periodic cleaning and lubrication .... Regarding that screen .... I can't really understand this? :- If the rear of the car has a clear glass panel above seated rear passengers, then why have it permanently obscured by a screen?

David

Hi David.

When you pull back the front screen then it covers the rear glass.

There is not enough roof to slide both clear of the glass.

Perhaps that is why?

Steve B
 
Hi Steve,
Well, yes ..... but as "standard", you'll never see the sky above you from the rear seats .... that is what I'm saying. I would have designed the car in such a way as to be able to at least have the rear panel easily removable .... In the U.K., I can't recall ever wanting it in place! However, when visiting Italy in peak-Summer (or with young infants in the rear), I could imagine the screen being beneficial ....

David
 
Hi David

I agree.

That is why when Tom (Timmus) asked if I wanted the OSS "de-screened" I said YES please!

The car seems so much brighter and airier

We have just had a heatwave too and it was fine without it.

Steve B
 
meriafel, thank you for recreating the deleted post!

I hadn't seen the advice about using G 052 172 A1 / Kryptox GPL 105 lubricant on seals; I have now read several articles about its use on the EOS roof system.

Following a recent, new OpenSky I had alternative advice from Worthing Audi :

Dust and dirt gets into the seals which need cleaning out and you may have to do the following a couple of times while the seals are wearing in. All you need to do is to get a spray tin of silicone spray on to a clean cloth and wipe along the seals you can get at and just spray the ones you can't to wash the dirt out from the seals. The ones you have wiped it's worth spraying with the silicone to aid lubrication.

As a non-scientist I wouldn't know the difference between Kryptox GPL 105 and Silicone lubricants.

It does appear to contradict the advice timmus was given by Herr Rinner
http://www.a2oc.net/forum/showpost.php?p=125283
There is just one lubricant used for everything: G-000-450-02

The servicing procedure goes as follows:
All the old lubricant is removed from the tracks with a cloth. The roof is closed and opened twice in an effort to pull out as much of the old lubricant from the inaccessible areas, each time removing it with a cloth. New lubricant is then applied copiously in the accessible sections of the track and once again the roof is opened and closed twice to get the new lube into the inaccessible areas.
The seals are also maintained with this same lubricant. The lube is applied thinly to all the seals; the rubber seal which runs the perimeter of the mechanism as well as the seals around the edges of each glass panel. The lube is then allowed to sit on the seals for 15 minutes or so before it is worked into the rubber with fingers, keeping the seals hydrated and supple. Any excess is then wiped off.

The OpenSky System which Rinner fit is an updated model to that which was fitted during the A2’s production. Audi have learnt from the multiple failures and redesigned all the components which were prone to failure. The vast majority of these were plastic parts which are now simply made of metal instead. Herr Thomas was confident that the new system would be significantly more reliable. Unless you’re able to have the plastic parts remanufactured out of metal, there is no way of modifying an existing, working OSS in an effort to make it last longer. Following the maintenance routine outlined above is all that Herr Thomas could suggest.

Andrew
 
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Just to add to the debate on 'recommended' lubricants, if you check the Open Sky section in the parts catalogue they list 'Solid Lubricant Paste' p/n G.060751.A2 (160g tube) and G.060751.A3 (250ml spray)

It would be interesting to know if this superseded the long standing Rinner recommended grease

Cheers Spike
 
Hi All,

Does anyone know of a way to remove the centre two glass panels of the OSS whilst it is closed?

I am thinking of replacing the OSS but it's closed shut at the moment and I can't access the screws that secure the OSS from the top. I know that there are another set of bolts that secure from the bottom i.e under the healdiner, but the top ones seem only to be accessible with the OSS open?

Thanks,

Max
 
To answere my own question, in case others are in the same boat, you can push the panel glass (front) back by hand after unlatching the locking arm from the inside. Another member suggested this but you need to remove the motor and use a flat screwdriver to unlatch the locking arm . I haven't tried it yet but will post if it works.

Max
 
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