Thanks, I appreciate it.
dj_efk
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The Dunlop is very good even despite it’s age (in terms of design). I would go for these if budget was a concern, but I would not buy tyres with a production date of 5 years ago, as even when correctly stored, the rubber still ages.
I’ve spent a long time on pepperpot tyre choices, one of the things you’re not considering is road noise - the A2 will be more sensitive to tyre roar than most other cars due to the design and fairly poor sound insulation - if you’re doing long-distance, high speed trips then you may want to consider this - For me this ruled out the Bridgestone T005.
Here is a post from my blog on this very subject, with the choice I made once all factors were considered - in my case I wanted the quietest, lowest rolling resistance tyres that would wear really well yet still have good wet braking test scores and be no wider than 185 section - like you I am a fan of Michelins, so guess which way I went
. I haven’t had the wheels on the car and tried them yet but I’ve no doubt I’ll be delighted with them.
Michelin do now make a brand new tyre called the e.primacy in 185/60/15 which is supposed to be even better for noise and rolling resistance, designed primarily with EVs in mind - BUT I don’t know how robust they’ll be if driven over potholes etc.
I’ve spent a long time on pepperpot tyre choices, one of the things you’re not considering is road noise - the A2 will be more sensitive to tyre roar than most other cars due to the design and fairly poor sound insulation - if you’re doing long-distance, high speed trips then you may want to consider this - For me this ruled out the Bridgestone T005.
Here is a post from my blog on this very subject, with the choice I made once all factors were considered - in my case I wanted the quietest, lowest rolling resistance tyres that would wear really well yet still have good wet braking test scores and be no wider than 185 section - like you I am a fan of Michelins, so guess which way I went
. I haven’t had the wheels on the car and tried them yet but I’ve no doubt I’ll be delighted with them.Michelin do now make a brand new tyre called the e.primacy in 185/60/15 which is supposed to be even better for noise and rolling resistance, designed primarily with EVs in mind - BUT I don’t know how robust they’ll be if driven over potholes etc.
Thanks. We have Conti Winter TS850s in 165/65?R15 and they're comfortable at ~2.2bar, though much less so at the 2.4-2.5bar I ran during the longer runs in the winter (though on OK roads, even that pressure is OK). Cold weather, ~0-5C, happens here during spring months, with rain sometimes, and sometimes in summers can get down to 5C, though rarely? I'm in Poland, so I'd be getting them from somewhere here. I've read a review of Nokian Wetproof tires where someone said that they harden at lower temps, and lose performance at very high temps too. Some of the drivers here seem to be crazy, an even sedate driving might require some occasional evasive actions.Blackcircles are listing some Michelins in size 185/60R15.
If you don't need cold weather performance, then the Primacy 4 185/60R15 84H (Euro Label C A 68dB) should provide a good balance of tyre life/performance/comfort. There's also a T-speed rated version listed with the same Euro Label.
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We've used Michelin A/S ('All Season' in North America is what many people use on general use cars there, we've used them in snow even, they're M+S rated. This shouldn't be confused with the newer All Climate or Four Season tires, with the 3PMSF, which also are snow rated). Anyway, I would hope any Primacies would be ok at even 5C, or still somewhat serviceable at 0C, unlike say, a Pilot Sport.
I'm leaning to the DOT2020 demo Primacies now, but still possibly the BluResponse, though 5 years of age and lack of manufacturer warranty, doesn't sit well with me.
Has anyone use the Primacy 4 specifically in this size on this car?
Or the Bridgestone T005?
Is the BluResponse still a worthy tyre, or have newer/fresher designs surpassed it?
Thanks again.
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Would 88, possibly with XL, give a better feel, or would they be just stiffer and worse over bumps?
Interestingly, the Hankooks in 84 V XL have gotten a buldge on the sidewall somehow in their 5 year life, while the winter Contis in 84 (non XL) have not, in a similar amount of time. Sure, sidewall height is much bigger on the Contis, but is that the only factor? Can there also be a difference between manufacturers, in general sturdiness? If anything, I would have thought the XL would hold up better. Luck of the draw perhaps, in that I hit a big pothole with the summers, and not the winters?
There seem to be many variables in tyres, of varying degress of importance, with also many different performance features as a result. People also seem to have varying needs and wants, and opinions often seem to be subjective, or even just hearsay. Makes it difficult to come up with the 'best' choice. Kind of like engine oil?
Interestingly, the Hankooks in 84 V XL have gotten a buldge on the sidewall somehow in their 5 year life, while the winter Contis in 84 (non XL) have not, in a similar amount of time. Sure, sidewall height is much bigger on the Contis, but is that the only factor? Can there also be a difference between manufacturers, in general sturdiness? If anything, I would have thought the XL would hold up better. Luck of the draw perhaps, in that I hit a big pothole with the summers, and not the winters?
There seem to be many variables in tyres, of varying degress of importance, with also many different performance features as a result. People also seem to have varying needs and wants, and opinions often seem to be subjective, or even just hearsay. Makes it difficult to come up with the 'best' choice. Kind of like engine oil?
Erlingtheyounger
Member
Running 185/60/r15’s Dunlop Sport bluresponse. Very impressed this far
hydo14
A2OC Donor
I'm currently running the e Primacys in this size on pepperpots my A2 TDI and I have to say that they are supremely quiet. Not noticed a change in economy going from the 165 wide tyres that I had before so would consider that a win given how much more grip and comfort they have given me.
Only had them for about 1000 miles of driving so far but already had a few excursions through potholes (although all at low speed) because of the terrible state of the roads in Shropshire and nothing bad has happened yet
Buchanan DTR
Member
I have Michelin premecy 4 non XL version 185/60/15 think thay are really good.
Bought from Kwik Fit using the mobile fitting service and they were cheaper than blackcircles if you use the discount code.
The fitting was also better than my experience with Blackcircles.
Bought from Kwik Fit using the mobile fitting service and they were cheaper than blackcircles if you use the discount code.
The fitting was also better than my experience with Blackcircles.
Great. Have a look at the tread pattern on the e.Primacy, as compared to the Primacy 4 S1. Looks very very similar to my eye.The Dunlop is very good even despite it’s age (in terms of design). I would go for these if budget was a concern, but I would not buy tyres with a production date of 5 years ago, as even when correctly stored, the rubber still ages.
I’ve spent a long time on pepperpot tyre choices, one of the things you’re not considering is road noise - the A2 will be more sensitive to tyre roar than most other cars due to the design and fairly poor sound insulation - if you’re doing long-distance, high speed trips then you may want to consider this - For me this ruled out the Bridgestone T005.
Here is a post from my blog on this very subject, with the choice I made once all factors were considered - in my case I wanted the quietest, lowest rolling resistance tyres that would wear really well yet still have good wet braking test scores and be no wider than 185 section - like you I am a fan of Michelins, so guess which way I went
Michelin do now make a brand new tyre called the e.primacy in 185/60/15 which is supposed to be even better for noise and rolling resistance, designed primarily with EVs in mind - BUT I don’t know how robust they’ll be if driven over potholes etc.
On oponeo.pl I see,
Primacy 4 | 84H/T | C/A/68 |
Primacy 4 | 88H XL | C/A/69 |
Primacy 4 S1 (with or without SelfSeal) | 84 T | A/B/68 |
e.Primacy | 84H/T | A/B/68 |
e.Primacy | 88H XL | A/B/70 |
If the Contis can take the potholes at 84T, maybe the Michelins can too (without going into 88 and XL)!?
Cenick
A2OC Donor
I also bought the same tyres about 4 weeks ago and am very happy with them.
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Howey
Member
On my mk2 galaxy i run commercial tyres, for me this suits the car better in each and every way including my pocket (Yorkshire man you see)
That looks very close to the front and back of the wheel arch. Do they ever rub? What about clearance for mud, etc?
Is that the nature of this size in these arches? Is it really never a problem?
Cenick
A2OC Donor
I looked and thought the same thing! I reckon it’s the angle of the camera as I had 195’s (edit 185/65!) on pepperpots before and they looked closer that these.
No rubbing at all, and I don’t do too much off-roading these days
defender is long gone mores the pity
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bretti_kivi
Member
I run 185/60r15 all winter with zero issues.
I try not to take the A2 off the road, but have taken it on some dirt 'roads'. In this country though, very often, 'parking' is up a curb...I looked and thought the same thing! I reckon it’s the angle of the camera as I had 195’s (edit 185/65!) on pepperpots before and they looked closer that these.
No rubbing at all, and I don’t do too much off-roading these daysdefender is long gone mores the pity
In North America, even touching a curb during a driving test might earn you an automatic fail. (might depend on the jurisdiction)
I think I'd really prefer a sidewall close to the mid to lower 100s, but things are what they are, in terms of availability, prices, and the performance of the various models. I'd be going from one extreme to the other, 89mm to 112mm. I remember always being a happy camper when swapping from winters to summers, because the performance was so much better. Tire pressures make a difference too probably. Recently I took the winters down from ~2.4 to ~2.2, and they seemed to take up engine/clutch/gearbox vibration (like, when starting off in first gear) much better. Maybe what I'm really after is adaptive tyre pressure.
Though that somewhat happens as they warm up I suppose.Anyway, Brett, is the 195/50R15 really that bad in terms of not taking up bumps, ... I cringe even thinking about potholes (though again, I'm coming from an XL tyres, which almost all 195/45R16 seem to be, with only 89mm sidewall).
Also, for bumps, I reckon lower pressures are better, but what about potholes?... depends on what you want to sacrifice?
Hmm, maybe I'll do the 185/60R15. Slightly larger, so ever so slightly better for cruising? If at all noticeable? If I want sportier again, I guess I can refurb the SE 16" alloys and get something like 195/50R16, which is the same 1.7% larger in terms of diameter, as the 185/60R15, compared to both the standard 175/60R15 and 185/50R16, and the same sidewall 97mm height as the 195/50R15, which is quite smaller in diameter (-2.6% from standard). Just thinking out loud somewhat. Hope you all don't mind.
About the EfficientGrips, I think I got lost in labels and model names, there's an EfficientGrip and EfficientGrip Performance, which perhaps obviously have different performance, and the labels I saw varied quite a bit (or the info I was looking at was wrong, or it was late, lol). Maybe I'm also biased against Goodyear, having had a not so great experience with a set of Aquatreds a long while back.
I hope you all have a good evening, and thanks for all the answers. I think I'm fairly set on the Primacy 4 S1 185/60R15 now.
About the EfficientGrips, I think I got lost in labels and model names, there's an EfficientGrip and EfficientGrip Performance, which perhaps obviously have different performance, and the labels I saw varied quite a bit (or the info I was looking at was wrong, or it was late, lol). Maybe I'm also biased against Goodyear, having had a not so great experience with a set of Aquatreds a long while back.
I hope you all have a good evening, and thanks for all the answers. I think I'm fairly set on the Primacy 4 S1 185/60R15 now.
What about Nokian Wetproof? 185/60 is 88H XL, Label C/A/66, and they're available at a very good price compared to the Michelins. There's also availability in 185/55, 195/55, also at fairly modest prices. I think someone wrote somewhere on these forums that the XL on the Nokians is not that hard/stiff. I have never owned any Nokian tyres.
185/60 is 88H XL, Label C/A/66, and they're available at a very good price compared to the Michelins. There's also availability in 185/55, 195/55, also at fairly modest prices. I think someone wrote somewhere on these forums that the XL on the Nokians is not that hard/stiff. I have never owned any Nokian tyres.
AndyP
Member
I use that size, makes the speedo read spot on.