Almost had to take out a mortgage to fill with BP Ultimate

Alan_uk

A2OC Donor
For years I used Tesco diesel, accumulating the points. But when a year ago I started using the car less and doing shorter journeys I thought this might be the reason for the car hesitating at around 2000 rpm when accelerating hard.

So for the last year I first tried some injector cleaner and I've been using Esso Supreme and sometime BP Ultimate. Seems to have helped but the problem has not gone away.

Went to a BP garage today and began filling and noticed they were charging £1.55 per litre for Ultimate!!!!!!! So stopped at 10 litres. Earlier this year it was only £1.25 litre, yet we are told fuel prices are down. Tesco's is £1.06p and the last lot of Esso Supreme a few weeks ago was £1.21p.
 

Gonzo

A2OC Donor
That cannot be a typical price. Even on the motorway, I've not recently seen it beyond 130p.

I paid 118p today for some Posh Esso diesel, and that's in a Range Rover Sport infested part of Essex where fuel, crap lager and Lambrini are normally excessively expensive!
 

wilco184

Member of the year 2015
BP Ultimate's expensive near me too, around £1.52 the last time I looked at petrolprices.com. By comparison, Shell V-Power is currently around £1.16. A large gulf, I'm sure you'll agree! :)

Regards,

Matt.
 

Alan_uk

A2OC Donor
By comparison, Shell V-Power is currently around £1.16.
That's more like it. Unfortunately no Shell stations in this town but on my travels tomorrow I shall probably go back to the nearest Esso garage and get some Synergy.
 

S2Dicky

Member
BP Ultimate's expensive near me too, around £1.52 the last time I looked at petrolprices.com. By comparison, Shell V-Power is currently around £1.16. A large gulf, I'm sure you'll agree! :)

Regards,

Matt.
I have just filled up with BP Ultimate about 30 minutes ago at only £1.12 a litre. Where is it £1.52?
 
This is a cetane boost and fuel stations charge 20x the price for the privilige ?
Millers cetane boost at Halfords etc about £15
Have tried all these - waste of money in my opinion
I run my1.4TDI on NEW VIRGIN rapeseed oil (find it for below 50 pence per litre) I buy 200 litres a time
Started on 90000 miles and now over 100000 miles - changed fuel filter ( did not need to )
Car starts first time every time - over 22C in summer if I start soon afte a 50 mile run - it takes two turns
Runs better than on diesel in my opinion
Emissions lowered
I can make 20 litres in an hour - preparation time minutes
Basically
20 litres NEW OIL (rapeseed I use )
Heat to 55c
Add
4 litres methanol to which 80gms lye is disolved
Stir
Immediate reaction and 3 to 4 litres GLYCERINE produced to sink to bottom
Increase temperature to 65c ( methanol boils at 64.5c)
Walk away and leave for say one hour
Drain off thick glycerine - use to start log burners etc
And the resulting light viscosity bio diesel goes straight in fuel tank
Buy a Hot water boiler that holds 27 litres
Will have to post full details someday
 

dan_b

A2OC Donor
Be very, very careful making your own biodiesel - methanol is a hideous neurotoxin, and sodium hydroxide is corrosive as well as poisonous.
But I'm sure you take all necessary precautions!
 

Alan_uk

A2OC Donor
I was wondering if tax is payable on biofuels. According to http://www.reuk.co.uk/Tax-on-Biofuels.htm it is not if production is under 2,500 litres per year. However:

You are however legally required to keep records of a) the date of each supply and/or use, and b) the amount of supply of own use. These records must be preserved for six years.
As dan_b says, the process is toxic. It is also highly flammable and potentially explosive: http://www.hse.gov.uk/foi/internalops/hid_circs/enforcement/spc_enf_137

Biofuels have lots of advantages but if everyone converted to them we would probably need to cover the country in rapeseed crops!
 
Be very, very careful making your own biodiesel - methanol is a hideous neurotoxin, and sodium hydroxide is corrosive as well as poisonous.
But I'm sure you take all necessary precautions!
Yes best to wear rubber gloves and I know its taking food out of peoples mouths - but I get my new oil generally from food manufacturing company - excess from processes
2500 litres allowed last time I looked at HMRC
Easy to do outside at minus temperatures
 

JIGSAW

Banned
This is a cetane boost and fuel stations charge 20x the price for the privilige ?
Millers cetane boost at Halfords etc about £15
Have tried all these - waste of money in my opinion
I run my1.4TDI on NEW VIRGIN rapeseed oil (find it for below 50 pence per litre) I buy 200 litres a time
Started on 90000 miles and now over 100000 miles - changed fuel filter ( did not need to )
Car starts first time every time - over 22C in summer if I start soon afte a 50 mile run - it takes two turns
Runs better than on diesel in my opinion
Emissions lowered
I can make 20 litres in an hour - preparation time minutes
Basically
20 litres NEW OIL (rapeseed I use )
Heat to 55c
Add
4 litres methanol to which 80gms lye is disolved
Stir
Immediate reaction and 3 to 4 litres GLYCERINE produced to sink to bottom
Increase temperature to 65c ( methanol boils at 64.5c)
Walk away and leave for say one hour
Drain off thick glycerine - use to start log burners etc
And the resulting light viscosity bio diesel goes straight in fuel tank
Buy a Hot water boiler that holds 27 litres
Will have to post full details someday

Very interesting info there but how does it all work out on price per litre, as youv got all the extra costs involved in buying the raw materials, then storing them, so containers of some kind, plus all the time and moneys in mixing, heating up and strainers in purifing id imagine and other materials to produce a litre of bio, so how do the costs way up as imagine its cheaper but how much cheaper to way up if its viable and worth taking on for one self.

Regards Gary
 

YorkshireHill

A2OC Donor
Be very, very careful making your own biodiesel - methanol is a hideous neurotoxin, and sodium hydroxide is corrosive as well as poisonous.
But I'm sure you take all necessary precautions!

Totally agree and I cannot stress this caution enough

Working as a neuro-physiotherapist, I have treated two individuals with motor-neurone disease who were convinced that their experience with biodiesel contributed to their condition. This is anecdotal evidence and I do not believe there is any supporting research. As I have spent many hours with these patients and talked to them about their lives, I felt there was perhaps something relevant. A few years ago, I fed back this information to the research scientist.

We also know of an A2OC member who sadly died in 2012. He wrote about his thoughts on this on the MND forum.

Please consider this potential risk. Health is so valuable.


Hilary
 
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