Leeds clean air zone

PlasticMac

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It seems council's can make their own rules (CAZ Categories A. B. C. D), presumably to maximise revenue.
My FSI is Euro 4 (Birmingham CAZ Vehicle Checker confirms this), and incurs no charge in London and Bath, but is charged at £8.00 per day in Birmingham, (CAZ Categories D), as are all Euro 4 Private Cars!
So, the Euro 4 status of @StevieG 1.4 is not really relevant in Birmingham.
Grrrrrrrrr...
Mac.
 

steve54

Member
on the option codes sticker in boot or service book, there should be code 0GG - Emission standard EU4 for petrol A2's


 

RAB

Technical Specialist 1.2 TDI
It seems council's can make their own rules (CAZ Categories A. B. C. D), presumably to maximise revenue.
My FSI is Euro 4 (Birmingham CAZ Vehicle Checker confirms this), and incurs no charge in London and Bath, but is charged at £8.00 per day in Birmingham, (CAZ Categories D), as are all Euro 4 Private Cars!
So, the Euro 4 status of @StevieG 1.4 is not really relevant in Birmingham.
But the Birmingham Vehicle Checker uses the Government website:


to check vehicles, so all cities should be consistent?

Are you sure that they are not (incorrectly) using the year of build to decide whether your car qualifies or not? If a 2007 EU4 qualifies, that would be illegal (or should be).

RAB
 
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PlasticMac

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But the Birmingham Vehicle Checker uses the Government website:


to check vehicles, so all cities should be consistent?

RAB
But the Birmingham Vehicle Checker uses the Government website:


to check vehicles, so all cities should be consistent?

RAB
Well, they are, sort of, but can choose their category.
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StevieG

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It seems council's can make their own rules (CAZ Categories A. B. C. D), presumably to maximise revenue.
My FSI is Euro 4 (Birmingham CAZ Vehicle Checker confirms this), and incurs no charge in London and Bath, but is charged at £8.00 per day in Birmingham, (CAZ Categories D), as are all Euro 4 Private Cars!
So, the Euro 4 status of @StevieG 1.4 is not really relevant in Birmingham.
Grrrrrrrrr...
Mac.
Very interesting that your FSI is shown as Euro 4 on the Birmingham CAZ, but still charged. The faq page on the official Brumbreathes website says.... Petrol or LPG - Euro 4 standard or better (roughly 2006 onwards).....will not be charged.

So their own site is conflicted....


it also says there may be some mistakes for pre-2006 cars and to check with DVLA - which is what I did, to no avail....
 

RAB

Technical Specialist 1.2 TDI
That's because their decision is based on year of manufacture, NOT EU standard. As such the actual EU standard is effectively irrelevant - according to the BBC.


You should challenge them; get a CoC and send them a copy along with a V5. It's a bit like Paris; I couldn't get a EU4 equivalent sticker for our 1999 Lupo 3L because, according to Paris, there weren't any EU4 vehicles made before 2000. Wrong!

RAB
 

StevieG

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That's because their decision is based on year of manufacture, NOT EU standard. As such the actual EU standard is effectively irrelevant - according to the BBC.


You should challenge them; get a CoC and send them a copy along with a V5. It's a bit like Paris; I couldn't get a EU4 equivalent sticker for our 1999 Lupo 3L because, according to Paris, there weren't any EU4 vehicles made before 2000. Wrong!

RAB
Audi replied to my request for a CoC within minutes, asking for my address...so, hopefully, that will arrive soon. Would be so much more efficient though if DVLA just accepted they are EURO IV compliant without having to do this for every individual petrol A2!!
 

PlasticMac

Member
Very interesting that your FSI is shown as Euro 4 on the Birmingham CAZ, but still charged. The faq page on the official Brumbreathes website says.... Petrol or LPG - Euro 4 standard or better (roughly 2006 onwards).....will not be charged.

So their own site is conflicted....


it also says there may be some mistakes for pre-2006 cars and to check with DVLA - which is what I did, to no avail....
I think Bath is free, because they are CAZ Category C, which (currently) doesn't apply to Private Cars, but Brum is CAZ Cat D, which does.
If you're local to Brum, write, or email your MP.
Mac.
 

RAB

Technical Specialist 1.2 TDI
Audi replied to my request for a CoC within minutes, asking for my address...so, hopefully, that will arrive soon. Would be so much more efficient though if DVLA just accepted they are EURO IV compliant without having to do this for every individual petrol A2!!
Yes, agreed. I would imagine that most cars built in 2001 weren't EU4. The CoC only became mandatory in March 2001 but VW/Audi were well ahead of the game.

RAB
 

StevieG

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I think Bath is free, because they are CAZ Category C, which (currently) doesn't apply to Private Cars, but Brum is CAZ Cat D, which does.
If you're local to Brum, write, or email your MP.
Mac.
Not local, but these things are going to be all over the place during the next few years and I'm bound to miss the warning signs amongst all the other sign clutter and get clobbered for £120 penalties on a regular basis!!! Hence keen to establish the exemption :)
 

RAB

Technical Specialist 1.2 TDI
I think Bath is free, because they are CAZ Category C, which (currently) doesn't apply to Private Cars, but Brum is CAZ Cat D, which does.
If you're local to Brum, write, or email your MP.
Mac.
It's Class, not Category. The Class determines the vehicle type only:


It has nothing to do with emission level. So no, Birmingham are wrong. You need to correct them!

It typifies this government; civil servants or quasi-civil servants have to be trained by their customers!

RAB
 

PlasticMac

Member
@RAB
Regardless of my FSI being Euro 4, or not, in Bath, who's CAZ Cat is C, private cars are not charged, whereas Brum's CAZ is Cat D, private cars are charged, so the difference (free or £8) between Bath and Brum is down to the CAZ Category.
The big issue is that there is a huge number of cars which are Euro 4, but not recognised as such DVLA.
Mac.
 

RAB

Technical Specialist 1.2 TDI
@RAB
The big issue is that there is a huge number of cars which are Euro 4, but not recognised as such DVLA.
Mac.
That's because they don't know! They are either being lazy or ignorant or both. They are probably relying on the year of manufacture. If your car was built before EU4 became mandatory, you need to inform DVLA by sending them a copy of the CoC. At the moment, DVLA consider your car as EU3, based on year built.

If you import a car from the EU, you cannot register it without a CoC! Don't ask! You can perhaps imagine the problems I had in registering a 1999 EU4 Lupo 3L (the very first EU4 diesel)!

RAB
 
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PlasticMac

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It will be quite a task for the DVLA to establish which pre 2006 cars (and vans etc) are Euro 4. Don't suppose they'll be chomping at the bit!
Might be worth waiting till you get a summons - or whatever) for non payment, and then challenging it with your CoC, and the old Social Media.
5 minutes of fame awaits!
Mac.
 

RAB

Technical Specialist 1.2 TDI
They won't do it without individual owners pushing them to - I know from experience. Get a CoC and then email them a copy. Five minutes work. The thing is that at the time, it didn't really matter whether your car was EU3 or 4, unlike now.

RAB
 

PlasticMac

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Audi replied to my request for a CoC within minutes, asking for my address...so, hopefully, that will arrive soon. Would be so much more efficient though if DVLA just accepted they are EURO IV compliant without having to do this for every individual petrol A2!!
What were the contact details you used to request a CofC @StevieG?
I'll then request mine.
Thanks in advance.
Mac.
 

RAB

Technical Specialist 1.2 TDI
Just to note, EU4 became mandatory in Jan 2005, so if your car was built (or registered?) after that, it SHOULD be registered with DVLA as such.

Just as an example of how the DVLA operates; CoC's only became mandatory in March 2001 and that coincides with the introduction of CO2 rated VED. Cars registered before that date didn't qualify for CO2 rated VED because not all cars would have had a CoC. Because of that, if VW hadn't delivered my Lupo 3L late, I would have had a 2001 3L that didn't qualify for CO2 rated VED and a 1999 3L that did - because it was registered in the UK in 2003! Make sense of that!

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steveb

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I have had to send the coc for a coach to London lez people before to prove it met a higher emission standard, If you show them a certificate that proves the emissions meet the standard they update their database so you are them exempt there. (By reg. Number) It wasn't DVLA who sorted it. I would guess you would need to do it with each area having a zone which is a pain but may be the only way to do it
 
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