New Emissions charge in London

I expected London to do something like this but the real concern is if other cities start to adopt the same approach.

They must realise the adverse affect this is going to have on the used car marker and therefore the economy as a whole.

Not everyone can afford or indeed want to have a new car.
 
cogarch said:
The ULEZ checker here seems to suggest that any petrol car registered before 2006 will be affected.

https://tfl.gov.uk/modes/driving/ultra-low-emission-zone/check-your-vehicle?intcmp=32646

Less officially, this is another useful calculator

http://www.nextgreencar.com/emissions-calculator/audi/a2/204/
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if you are talking about the changes coming in later this year then that is not correct.
I chrcked with TFL for a 1.6 FSI I have and they said that it will not attract a surcharge.

Hoever, that changes in 2019/20 when cars prior to 2015 are likely to attract a surcharge (petrol and diesel)
But I don't think the 2019 changes are yet clear enough and may be subject to change.

So so as long as your petrol A2 is not pre 2001 you should be ok until 2019.
To make 100% sure contact them via their link and get them to confirm your specific reg number.

Steve B
 
I 've just checked on the TfL T-charge site. I'm informed that my car, a 2004 TDI 90, is subject to the T-charge. Any ideas if this is correct? I'm aware that my car won't comply with the 2019 changes but from the above posts thought that I could use in in the congestion charging zone without any penalty till then.
 
As you can see in post 15 above, the TFL letter they sent to me stated that the TDI 90 is NOT subject to the extra charge?

So unless they have moved the goalposts you have proof that they confirmed it is exempt from the extra charge,

But I am guessing that if you have checked more recently they MIGHT have changed their minds, but I would be surprised.


Steve B
 
I Just rechecked and my 2004 TDI 90 is NOT subject the extra charge, perhaps you are getting mixed up between the "T Charge" and the ULEZ?

It is the T charge that starts on the 23rd of this month, the ULEZ comes in after 2019.

Here is the result from the check I just did now

Steve B

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I've just re checked my car for the T-charge, results below:

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Wondering if your TDI 90 is OK because they've manually exempted it?
 
RobertJ said:
I've just re checked my car for the T-charge, results below:

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Wondering if your TDI 90 is OK because they've manually exempted it?
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i don’t think they have made any exceptions. Is yours an ATL engine (I would imagine so?

mine was an 04 reg and so not newer than yours so I have no idea what the difference is???

Steve B
 
Birchall said:
So so as long as your petrol A2 is not pre 2001 you should be ok until 2019.
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It's not the year Steve, it's whether the car complies with (not tested to) Euro IV. My wife's 1999 Euro III Lupo 3L complies with Euro IV and therefore does not have to pay the T-charge. It must surely be the oldest car to meet this requirement! Well ahead of it's time. In Paris though, it's stupidly done by year, so won't be going back there, by any means!

RAB
 
I just checked again (because I think that their system was confused by my number plate changes)
i entered the new reg and yet again it came up as a TDI 90 but this time it WAS showing as subject to the new charge.
I entered the FSI details and that was also subject to the new charge.

But it when I entered the details of my wife’s Tdi 75 (2004) it came up as exempt.

So a petrol A2 has to pay the charge but a diesel (75) doesn't

of course it is not about year of manufacture alone and it is all about the emissions. But to find that a FSI is not exempt but a diesel 75 is exempt is hardly making it all clear to everyone.

They will I’ll take a fortune in fines over the next few weeks, many people are saying that they were unaware of the change but also many people will be totally confused. Especially some petrol engined car owners who mistakenly thought that theirs would be exempt. Everyone should be checking their own cars before driving into London, but lots won’t.

I can see TFL having to hold off on the fines for the first couple of weeks, but I doubt that they will want to miss this huge revenue.

Do we believe eve that the revenue they will earn will be spent on anti pollution measures? I don’t.
And even if they claim that the idea is to deter people from driving into London, many people don’t have much choice, it is not a pleasant experience at the best of times.

Steve B
 
I entered my reg for my TDI 90 MY 2005 and it comes up exempt.

Seems a bit random to me.
 
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The TfL site is giving incorrect results - if you car meets Euro IV standards, the additional T-Charge is not applicable.

The A2 1.6 BAD FSI meets Euro IV standards, and therefore should only be liable to pay the standard (rip-off) “congestion” charge.
 
Philip said:
The TfL site is giving incorrect results - if you car meets Euro IV standards, the additional T-Charge is not applicable.

The A2 1.6 BAD FSI meets Euro IV standards, and therefore should only be liable to pay the standard (rip-off) “congestion” charge.
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My worry would be that their number plate readers will use the same check to decide if you have to pay or not (it SHOULD use the same logic or why bother)

Steve B
 
Birchall said:
Do we believe eve that the revenue they will earn will be spent on anti pollution measures?
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If it was to do with pollution, TfL would first be cracking down on the innumerable buses and black cabs which I regularly see trailing plumes of soot, or truck refrigeration units burning red diesel with zero emissions control etc. It’s just a way for Citizen Khan to win votes from metropolitan liberals who prefer pretend ideologies to facts.
 
The database the checking site uses isn’t accurate - it catches some Euro 4 Cars and exempts more that shouldn’t be.
 
Or cracking down on owners who drive with their EGR blanked off! Not expecting any Likes for that!

RAB
 
I live in Kensington. I have a 2000 1.4 petrol A2.
I'm not particularly worried about the T-Charge as I never drive into the congestion charging zone.
If I'm going into central London, I use the bus as parking charges are astronomical!
It'll become a pain when the T-Charge is extended to within the North / South circular as Citizen Kahn wants to do next!
He'd be better off sorting out the new bus terminus at Brunel Road in East Acton. It's been there for at least 18 months, fully completed with staff rest areas, cooking facilities, toilets etc, and parking for at least 6 buses - but it's barriered off and not in use. Meanwhile, there's a old Dennis Dart that's fitted out as a canteen which sits idling its engine for at least 12 hours a day to provide heating, and there are normally 6 to 8 buses blocking half the access road into an industrial area.
 
I've just revisited the TfL site again, specifically:

https://tfl.gov.uk/modes/driving/em...the-t-charge-zone?intcmp=49129#on-this-page-2

and found this:

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which suggests that 'early adopters' of Euro 4 need to be manually registered. So, are TfL manually adding exemptions on a registration by registration basis?

Steve B - it would explain why your new registration is not recognized and being listed as liable for the T-charge.

I've now had a response form TfL asking for my V5C details, which I've forwarded.
 
I've just received an email from Tfl, letting me know they have updated their database with the correct status of my A2 TDI 90 :)

No T-charge payable :)
 
Just visited the TFL T charge site and it is saying that my 2004 TDI75 BHC engine vehicle IS subject to the charge ( original reg, no change)

This is despite the options sticker in the car saying 0GG which is VAGs code for Emission standard EU4

I always avoid central london by car anyway!

Geoff
 
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As someone who very occasionally might pass through central london I've just been onto tfl.gov to try and register my car being iv euro (04 TDI 90) and they need a copy of the V5 and a letter from Audi stating the standard it was manufactured to.

"We need to see evidence showing the vehicles qualifies for registration do that you don’t have to pay the T-Charge. Please upload images of We need to see evidence showing the vehicles qualifies for registration do that you don’t have to pay the T-Charge. Please upload images of

The vehicle registration document (V5C or country equivalent)
AND

A signed letter from the vehicle manufacturers homologation department showing the vehicle registration mark (VRM), the Vehicle Identification Number (VIN) and the Euro standard the vehicle was manufactured to.
"

The first sentence is a bit of a tough read. How prepared and willing do we think Audi are to provide this letter?
 
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