Tyre choices?

Hi all,

Just about to fork out for a complete set of tyres...

Think I've narrowed the choice down to:

Avon AS7 All season C B rated

OR

Bridgestone A005 weather control evo C A rated

Size will either be 185/65 15, or 195/60 15.

Prices are similar (Bridgestone slightly more expensive..). £55 - £60 range...

Both tyres are all season.

Just wondering if anyone's running these or got any experience/feedback?

Any thoughts much appreciated.

Any other recommendations?

Kind regards

Pete
Hi Pete.

I have the predecessor to the Bridgestone A005 Weathercontrol Evo on our A2 and find them to be a better tyre than the Dunlop Bluresponse 'summer' tyre they succeeded. Certainly more traction in the wet for a start. Haven't had any snow since I fitted them a couple of years ago, but they are marked with the 'three peaks snow flake' symbol that shows they are rated for such conditions.
The updated Evo version is being well reviewed but, from my reading and watching of comparison reviews on the tyre reviews website, I now favour the Michelin Crossclimate 2 ( an improvement on the +).
I have just fitted these to my daughters Clio and am awaiting the necessary sizes to be released before buying them for my other car.
 
Whilst I appreciate the CC2 is probably the better tyre, my Vredestein Quatracs fill me with confidence. If I was buying again I might go for CC2, I am in no way disappointed with my choice.

It will be interesting to see what sort of mileage we report from these two competing models
 
Hi there to you all ; I hope you don't mind me posting this, but I do know an awful lot about tyres & not much about anything else & it really supprises me how people look at buying tyres ; it is without a doubt price driven, which I understand, but honestly, you cannot do better than spend a resonable amount on them, as they really are the defining component on how a car rides, handles, brakes, steers, sounds & uses fuel.

I worked for Goodyear (also owners of many brands (Dunlop, Fulda, Sava & others) as an original equipment test driver for over 30 years & I can assure you that it is a tough business, as even the OEM's don't want to pay for anything !!

So my point is this ; OEMs & suppliers work hard to get the best tyre possible, for several years before any car is launched onto the public. The selection of tyre sizes are an integral part of the initial package & affect may things ; weight, wheel envelope, relating to wheel arch clearance, steering lock requiements, ride height, snow chain clearance etc, fuel consumption to name a few.

We (tyre suppliers) work with them to meet these & other requirements - comfort, NVH, handling braking, wet grip, rolling resistance & so on & finally the 'best' are chosen to be suppliers on a technical level, then the price war begins. The 'best' performers do not always get the business !!

So, basically, my advice is please stick to the OEM tyre sizes & you have a chance of getting close to the OEM performance criteria, to match the vehicle, especially if you stick to the big names - GY Dunlop, Pirelli, Conti, Michelin, Bridgestone to name a few. This is particularly true when a car, such as the A2, uses non popular sizes ; this means that a tyre you buy in the 'correct' size may actually still be the original OE approved construction !!

I understand everyone is on a budget & tyres are one of the highest running cost of a car, but the fact remains, especially in countries that use the Certificate of Conformity (CoC) as a reference for giving a valid MOT pass, it will invalidate your insurance if you do not use the OEM dimensions or have an approved exception to the CoC tyre sizes, eg when the size is no longer made.

If you can't or don't want to stick to the OE sizes, then the things to consider as a minimum are ; The OD should be close to the original for speedo accuracy, the speed index should be at least as high as the OE tyre, the load index should meet or exceed the OE tyre & the rim width you use should be 'legal' - that is to say within the ETRTO allowable sizes for any particular size of tyre. Things such as wheel arch clearance, reduction in steering lock, due to touching on other suspension parts etc. are not 'illegal' as such, but a keen inspector may reject a car for these types of problems, along with exposed wheel rim flanges, due to small tyres fitted on wide rims for that 'cruisin' look'.

As far as the driving experience of the car goes ; tracking under acceleration or on bumpy roads, general steering feel and feedback, comfort, noise and fuel consumption are almost inevitably worse when fitting larger sized tyres, versus the OE sizes & often, even the largest OE approved size works less well than the 'medium' size approved size, but does meet the requirements of the OE Marketing departments need for pretty pictures for the brochures !!

Sorry for the long winded post (not intended as a lecture !), but a tyre makes or breaks the car & often, the people who travel in them !!!

Yours, MartinH
Hi Martin,
Any idea what the original OEM tyres used by Audi were on the A2 on 16" wheels ?
I presume some tread patterns may no longer be available but I'm particularly interested if the ride comfort (on 16" wheels) can be improved or optimised with a specific tyre type staying with recommended size.

Thanks,

Raymie
 
Hi Martin,
Any idea what the original OEM tyres used by Audi were on the A2 on 16" wheels ?
I presume some tread patterns may no longer be available but I'm particularly interested if the ride comfort (on 16" wheels) can be improved or optimised with a specific tyre type staying with recommended size.

Thanks,

Raymie
Hi there, Raymie, sorry, but I don't have that information, but as you say, most if not all of the originally approved tyres will almost certainly no longer be made, as the marketing needs are always 'we need a new product to sell'

In anycase, unless you have the full DOT code of the tyres originally fitted when new, & can get replacements with the identical DOT, apart from the week of manufacture, of course, then they will not be the same construction as the originals.

Fortunately, most new designs & constructions from 'quality' suppliers will perform better ( wet grip, noise, rolling resistance (=mpg) etc ) than tyres designed over 15 years ago. The new labeling system for noise, wet grip & rolling resistance does give a reasonable indication of these 3 critical factors, when comparing products from different manufacturers.

Hope this helps (a little !!).
 
Hi there, Raymie, sorry, but I don't have that information, but as you say, most if not all of the originally approved tyres will almost certainly no longer be made, as the marketing needs are always 'we need a new product to sell'

In anycase, unless you have the full DOT code of the tyres originally fitted when new, & can get replacements with the identical DOT, apart from the week of manufacture, of course, then they will not be the same construction as the originals.

Fortunately, most new designs & constructions from 'quality' suppliers will perform better ( wet grip, noise, rolling resistance (=mpg) etc ) than tyres designed over 15 years ago. The new labeling system for noise, wet grip & rolling resistance does give a reasonable indication of these 3 critical factors, when comparing products from different manufacturers.

Hope this helps (a little !!).
Original Equipment 185 50 16 Tyres on our 2003 1.4SE Petrol were Pirelli but I am struggling to remember the exact model of Pirelli. What I can say is that they were rubbish. Very narrow for 185 Size. Wore Unevenly ! Some wore through the Tread in areas around the circumference when there was plenty Tread left in other areas. Tried a Tyre Warranty Claim through a Pirelli Dealer. Pirelli Rejected it.

Steve U
 
The original tyres on the 16" SE alloys were indeed Pirelli, the P6000 Powergy model in size 185/50 16 81V but as said above they didn't have much in the way of rim protectors and were an asymmetrical design and could be positioned anywhere on the car, in other words weren't a directional or rotational or inside/outside design, which would have made one ideal as a spare.

They weren't the best tyres though and had a tendency to go out of shape and the tread would wear unevenly and 'step' causing a bobbly ride.

This was them 👍
 

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The original tyres on the 16" SE alloys were indeed Pirelli, the P6000 Powergy model in size 185/50 16 81V but as said above they didn't have much in the way of rim protectors and were an asymmetrical design and could be positioned anywhere on the car, in other words weren't a directional or rotational or inside/outside design, which would have made one ideal as a spare.

They weren't the best tyres though and had a tendency to go out of shape and the tread would wear unevenly and 'step' causing a bobbly ride.

This was them 👍
That’s the ones !
 
Pirelli tyres are generally inferior to the true premium brands from looking test data. Looks like this was true even back then.

Glad tyre tech has moved on by so much in intervening years.
 
Thanks @Techno , the Bridgestone A005 do look quite good.

Not quite decided what I'm doing yet but am tending towards the cross climate 2, we'll see though..

One of the real strengths of the Cross Climate 2 range is the number of options for tyres that are not XL rated. With the A2 representing an exceptionally light load, that is of real benefit both for comfort and handling.

As a consequence, my 6J pepperpots will be getting a set of 195/55 R15 85V CrossClimate 2s, a shift away from my longstanding preference for Continental.
 
Original Equipment 185 50 16 Tyres on our 2003 1.4SE Petrol were Pirelli but I am struggling to remember the exact model of Pirelli. What I can say is that they were rubbish. Very narrow for 185 Size. Wore Unevenly ! Some wore through the Tread in areas around the circumference when there was plenty Tread left in other areas. Tried a Tyre Warranty Claim through a Pirelli Dealer. Pirelli Rejected it.

Steve U

Thanks
At least that gives me a point of reference . I had those Pirelli tyres on my Mk2 Golf in the late 90‘s ; think the Ford puma also came with them as OEM fit. My recollection was of a reasonable balance between dry grip and comfort on those cars back in the day.

For options on A2 with current tyres available There is quite a strong recommendation for Michelin CRoss climate coming through but unfortunately only available when changing to the smaller 15“ wheels AFAIK.

Not come across any clear recommendations for the 16“ sizes yet but perhaps I just need more time to trawl through the threads ( or treads )!

For comfort on previous cars I’ve had a good experience with Toyo Proxes TR1 and Bridgestone Turanza E300 but perhaps with a compromise on longevity.


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Thanks
At least that gives me a point of reference . I had those Pirelli tyres on my Mk2 Golf in the late 90‘s ; think the Ford puma also came with them as OEM fit. My recollection was of a reasonable balance between dry grip and comfort on those cars back in the day.

For options on A2 with current tyres available There is quite a strong recommendation for Michelin CRoss climate coming through but unfortunately only available when changing to the smaller 15“ wheels AFAIK.

Not come across any clear recommendations for the 16“ sizes yet but perhaps I just need more time to trawl through the threads ( or treads )!

For comfort on previous cars I’ve had a good experience with Toyo Proxes TR1 and Bridgestone Turanza E300 but perhaps with a compromise on longevity.


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Cross climate 2 can be fitted to 17” sports wheels in 205 40 R17


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Cross climate 2 can be fitted to 17” sports wheels in 205 40 R17


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Thanks - but no thanks.
I’ve no intention of stepping up to 17“ rims as that would be counter productive to the ride quality.


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Thanks
At least that gives me a point of reference . I had those Pirelli tyres on my Mk2 Golf in the late 90‘s ; think the Ford puma also came with them as OEM fit. My recollection was of a reasonable balance between dry grip and comfort on those cars back in the day.

For options on A2 with current tyres available There is quite a strong recommendation for Michelin CRoss climate coming through but unfortunately only available when changing to the smaller 15“ wheels AFAIK.

Not come across any clear recommendations for the 16“ sizes yet but perhaps I just need more time to trawl through the threads ( or treads )!

For comfort on previous cars I’ve had a good experience with Toyo Proxes TR1 and Bridgestone Turanza E300 but perhaps with a compromise on longevity.


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They also do cross-climate 2 in 185 50 R16. Which would fit the SE wheel


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