ULEZ and the A2

RAB

Technical Specialist 1.2 TDI
Text from Audi's letter:

05 March 2021

TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN

MODEL Audi A2

CHASSIS NUMBER WAUZZZ8Z75N000640

I hereby declare that the vehicle with the above Chassis Number
meets EU4 compliance.


Yours Sincerely


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Mick Jackson
Homologation Specialist
Vehicle Compliance Department

Volkswagen Group UK Ltd

Simples!
Mac.
Simples? Really? This is VW's initial reply:

"Good afternoon,

Thank you for your email, after checking your vehicle details we can confirm these meet EU 3."

So EU4 in Germany but EU3 in the UK! Presumably this is due to the fact the 1.2Tdi was never sold in the UK. Too much trouble to refer to the CoCs. So I sent them this:

MeasurementLupo 3LAudi A2 1.2TdiEU4 standard
CO g/km0.2220.2280.5
NOx g/km0.2200.2400.25
HC+NOx g/kmNot Listed0.2610.3
Particulates g/km0.0230.0210.025

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PlasticMac

Member
Limits (diesel): CO: 0.64g/km | HC and NOx: 0.56g/km | NOx: 0.50g/km | PM: 0.05g/km
Remember that the requirements of ULEZ are Euro 4 (NOx) for petrols and Euro 6 (NOx and PM) for diesels - so for a petrol, what you need to show is official confirmation that NOx emissions are 0.08g/km or under.
Remember that the requirements of ULEZ are Euro 4 (NOx) for petrols and Euro 6 (NOx and PM) for diesels - so for a petrol, what you need to show is official confirmation that NOx emissions are 0.08g/km or under.
@Philip
That's a very good point, as far as London's ULEZ, along with Bath, Birmingham and Leeds (so far), is concerned Euro 4 is only relevant for the 1.4 and 1.6 petrols. Diesels, even if they have got Euro 4, will be charged.
I admit, I got a bit caught up with Euro 4, as my two (Mk1 TT and FSI) are both petrol and Euro 4.
Thank for getting us back to the OP's question!
Mac.
 

RAB

Technical Specialist 1.2 TDI
@Philip
London's ULEZ, along with Bath, Birmingham and Leeds (so far), is concerned Euro 4 is only relevant for the 1.4 and 1.6 petrols. Diesels, even if they have got Euro 4, will be charged.
Only in Birmingham. Bath doesn't charge for cars and Leeds CAZ has been abandoned.

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chrisd

Member
Really helpful posts - but for low achievers, can someone post the contact details of whoever it is at VW Audi who provide the appropriate letter?
Thanks
Chris
Needed for 1.4 and 1.6 petrols...
 

RAB

Technical Specialist 1.2 TDI
In my experience, you'll only get EU4 approval if the vehicle was originally tested against that standard. So a 2001 vehicle, even though it meets the EU4 standard will only ever be considered as EU3, in the UK at least. Mac's FSi would have been tested against the EU4 standard, so his letter is just a clarification. That's the answer I have received from VW UK and VW Germany - I am still awaiting replies from Audi.

In Germany, you will receive a green plakette if your vehicle meets the EU4 emission standard, even if it is nominally EU3. So a 2001 A2 petrol will not be considered EU4 in the UK but would receive a green plakette in Germany. In France a 2001 A2 petrol would receive a '3' CRIT'Air sticker instead of a '2' with only EU3 on the V5.

So much for European standards!

RAB
 

herx

Member
Any Londoners out there with petrol A2s got any PCNs and challenged using the emissions letter from Audi ?
 

PlasticMac

Member
Can anyone in the club tell me which model is exempt from the Ultra low emission zone, charge ULEZ I’ve got a nephew driving into the zone every workday and he’s looking towards getting a A2, I need or rather he needs the definitive answer, I’ve been told the 1.4 petrol, but if I enter that onto the tfL site it says there’s a charge for this model, !!!!!!
I believe there are two zones in London. Outer London is a LEZ (Low Emission Zone) and Central London is an ULEZ (Ultra Low Emission Zone).
Euro 4 is OK in Outer London, but Central is (I think) Euro 6 or Pure EV only.
Petrol A2s meet Euro 4, but since they were built before Euro 4 was mandatory, their V5C does not state this. You can get a CoC and emissions Declaration FOC from Audi and get the V5C updated by DVLA. However, if you use the London Emissions Checker, you may well find your OK for LEZ. I have an FSI and Mk1 TT, and both checked out OK even before I got the V5Cs updated.
Hope this helps.
Mac.
 

Bargepower

Member
I think @PlasticMac is muddling up ULEZ and congestion charges.
1.4 petrol is exempt from ULEZ, which is expanding out to the north and south circular roads in October, but you’ll still need to pay the congestion charge in central London which is a different animal from ULEZ altogether.
I live in the expanded zone, but as my 1.4 is exempt from ULEZ, I won’t have any charges unless I drive into central which I never do.
If a car isn’t exempt from ULEZ, say a 1.4 diesel, which drove into central London then they would be hit with two charges, congestion charge and ULEZ.
Details of both are shown below.

Congestion Charge​


£15.00 to £17.50 a day​

Where it operates:​

Central London only - check a postcode or location

Charging times:​

07:00-22:00, every day, including weekends and bank holidays. Except Christmas Day (25 December).

Hide charge amounts
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  • Pay by Auto Pay - £15.00
  • Pay before you travel or by midnight on the day of travel - £15.00
  • Pay by midnight on the third charging day after you travel - £17.50
  • For example, if you travel and pay on Tuesday the charge is £15.00 or £17.50 if you pay by midnight on Friday.
  • If you travel on a Friday you have until midnight on the following Monday to pay.
Ultra Low Emission Zone (ULEZ) £12.50 a day

Where it operates:​

Central London only - check a postcode or location

Charging times:​

24 hours a day, 7 days a week, every day of the year (except Christmas Day on 25 December).
A charging day runs from midnight to midnight. You can pay by midnight on the third charging day after you travel or up to 90 days in advance.
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ULEZ zone will expand on 25 October 2021​

The ULEZ zone is expanding to cover the area up to the North and South Circular Roads (A406 and A205). The roads themselves are not included in the zone.Find out more about the expansion.
 

PlasticMac

Member
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I think @PlasticMac is muddling up ULEZ and congestion charges.
1.4 petrol is exempt from ULEZ, which is expanding out to the north and south circular roads in October, but you’ll still need to pay the congestion charge in central London which is a different animal from ULEZ altogether.
I live in the expanded zone, but as my 1.4 is exempt from ULEZ, I won’t have any charges unless I drive into central which I never do.
If a car isn’t exempt from ULEZ, say a 1.4 diesel, which drove into central London then they would be hit with two charges, congestion charge and ULEZ.
Details of both are shown below.

Congestion Charge


£15.00 to £17.50 a day​

Where it operates:​

Central London only - check a postcode or location

Charging times:​

07:00-22:00, every day, including weekends and bank holidays. Except Christmas Day (25 December).

Hide charge amounts
icon-arrowDown.b3e2eff4.svg

  • Pay by Auto Pay - £15.00
  • Pay before you travel or by midnight on the day of travel - £15.00
  • Pay by midnight on the third charging day after you travel - £17.50
  • For example, if you travel and pay on Tuesday the charge is £15.00 or £17.50 if you pay by midnight on Friday.
  • If you travel on a Friday you have until midnight on the following Monday to pay.
Ultra Low Emission Zone (ULEZ) £12.50 a day

Where it operates:​

Central London only - check a postcode or location

Charging times:​

24 hours a day, 7 days a week, every day of the year (except Christmas Day on 25 December).
A charging day runs from midnight to midnight. You can pay by midnight on the third charging day after you travel or up to 90 days in advance.
Tool-Tip-Icon.485d0b19.svg

ULEZ zone will expand on 25 October 2021​

The ULEZ zone is expanding to cover the area up to the North and South Circular Roads (A406 and A205). The roads themselves are not included in the zone.Find out more about the expansion.
I believe that early petrol 1.4s, will come up (on the ULEZ checker) as being subject to ULEZ charges, despite the emission data being within Euro 4 limits. I believe (but not certain) this is down to the date when Euro 4 was first published.
I don't think any A2s had "Euro 4" on their V5C when originally registered, as production ceased before Euro 4 became mandatory.
Mac.
 

PlasticMac

Member
I didn't see any reference to Euro 4 in the TfL text, so believe that London's ULEZ is based on actual emissions data, and not on Euro Status. If so, an early A2 may well be OK if you submit (to TfL) a CoC with the appropriately emissions data on it.
Just a thought ...
Mac
 

Bargepower

Member
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I believe that early petrol 1.4s, will come up (on the ULEZ checker) as being subject to ULEZ charges, despite the emission data being within Euro 4 limits. I believe (but not certain) this is down to the date when Euro 4 was first published.
I don't think any A2s had "Euro 4" on their V5C when originally registered, as production ceased before Euro 4 became mandatory.
Mac.
Mine’s a Y reg and comes up as exempt. I think it’s only very early (I.e. X reg) that doesn’t.
 

RAB

Technical Specialist 1.2 TDI
For petrol A2s, if your emissions meet the EU4 standard your car will be ULEZ exempt, as long as you have proof (on V5C or CoC). If your car doesn't have EU4 on the V5C, that's down to (one of) the inadequacies of the DVLA. That's been confirmed to me by the DoT.

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PlasticMac

Member
For petrol A2s, if your emissions meet the EU4 standard your car will be ULEZ exempt, as long as you have proof (on V5C or CoC). If your car doesn't have EU4 on the V5C, that's down to (one of) the inadequacies of the DVLA. That's been confirmed to me by the DoT.

RAB
Maybe it's not on the V5C because when the car was registered there was no such thing ...
Not defending DVLA, after all, they've lost the V5C, CoC and Emissions Declaration for my FSI!
The Audi Emissions Declarations does say that the 1.4/FSI meets Euro 4, not that it actually is Euro 4.
However, when (if) you get an amended V5C it proudly states that your motor is Euro 4.
Mac?
 

RAB

Technical Specialist 1.2 TDI
Maybe it's not on the V5C because when the car was registered there was no such thing ...
When any A2 was first registered, it would have had an EU emission standard, which predate the A2. There was no EU Status field on early V5Cs because it didn't matter then. It does now, which is the problem.
Not defending DVLA, after all, they've lost the V5C, CoC and Emissions Declaration for my FSI!
The Audi Emissions Declarations does say that the 1.4/FSI meets Euro 4, not that it actually is Euro 4.
However, when (if) you get an amended V5C it proudly states that your motor is Euro 4.
Mac?
The DVLA won't amend your V5C to state EU4 if the vehicle was originally built as EU3, even if the vehicle meets the EU4 emission standard. If your vehicle does meet the EU4 standard (and it's a petrol), you won't be legally liable for the ULEZ charge, although you might have to go to court to prove it!

RAB
 
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