Variable service intervals?

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slicer

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What do most people really feel about the longlife/variable service intervals on A2s? I must say I'm a bit concerned about potentially leaving my car for such long periods(obviously depending on individual usage patterns) without a service/oil change/filter change. Honest John in the motoring Telegraph seems dead against these prolonged intervals and he seems a pretty sensible bloke.

(He is always reminding diesel owners to idle their engines for a while after a long fast run eg filling with fuel on a motorway, so that the red hot turbo doesn't vapourise the oil and lead to premature bearing failures )

Are people sticking to the longlife option or bailing out and having an annual service and oil change.
 
I've just reached 1 years old, and 10300 miles. The service indicator now says 11,200 miles to go. I really want to trust it, however to be honest it doesn't seem right. I almost want to fork out and give it a service - [?] That cant be right can it.

I am actually very lazy and drive to work which is only 4 miles away. I do this short trip twice a day, and therefore never really warm the engine up. This adds to my concern.

Any thoughts anyone?

Kaine

A2 1.4Tdi SE | black | red leather | Concert | Open Sky | A2OC Stickers x2
 
quote:I've just reached 1 years old

OK. Before anyway replys. My car is now 1 years old. I'm not the younest A2 owner.

:D:D:D

Kaine

A2 1.4Tdi SE | black | red leather | Concert | Open Sky | A2OC Stickers x2
 
If the manufacturers are confident enough to offer a mileage warranty with these extended service intervals its OK by me. Worthwhile checking the oil level regularly, not that I ever do on my rover diesel between its 12,000 intervals. Warnings are usually designed to come on long before any damage is inflicted though, I'd have thought.
I don't suppose Haynes have gotten around to writing a service manual for these things yet. Once mines out of warranty I might be tempted to change my own oil.

1.6 FSI
 
Read the summer Audi corporate magazine-it has a good piece on the variable servicing and covers these concerns.

You can always ask your dealer to switch you back onto the fixed servicing-it should be a free task.

Failing that, go for that oil change when you feel like it-but you'll pay!!!!!

Steve - 2003 1.4SE petrol, Silver, black/black interior
 
I'm sure that with long life oils you can prolong service intervals, but not to the extent of 17 - 30K miles. Most oils degrade after 10K miles, even fully synthetic oils will trap corrosive post-combustion chemicals and water. So I would want to change at fixed service intervals for my own piece of mind.

My question is ... are you allowed to change the oil yourself at 10K miles (fixed service interval) without invalidating the warranty? I am more than competent to change the oil, but feel as though I am forced to comply with the terms of the warranty. Plus .. would the dealer actualy know if I did? Does the oil sensor check the oil quality, so that if I changed the oil at 10K miles, the service interval reminder would reset? Or would it continue counting down the miles without noticing I had changed the oil in between?

Have a look at this site for more general info http://www.fernblatt.com/longhurst/engineoil_bible.html


Tino
Dolphin Grey 1.4 SE
 
Slicer,

It was I that taught Honest John everything he knows – that’s why he knows nothing.

I do think there is a mental problem with long period service intervals, but perhaps much of this is that when something very worthwhile is offered many individuals find that it’s not good enough, and thereafter seek to find fault. In addition you have old fashioned codgers like myself (the original Honest John) who believe that miracles when projected by advertising agencies are not all they seem, especially when the aspect of variables enters the frame.

I suppose that because my general low annual mileage (around 8000), and countless short journeys put me outside of being regarded as “average” then I figure that I need to evaluate the circumstances, and act accordingly. One of my own major problems is that after research and debate I just cannot have 100% faith in the onboard computer facilities which determine the contamination of the oil within the sump, however if this situation was to improve then naturally I would change my tune.

For now the situation with my Golf is the same as with the A2, in that I shall make full use of the advantageous technologies incorporated within “Castrol SLX Longlife” oil, however I will change the oil every 12 months or 10,000 miles which ever comes first. Sure this oil is very expensive, but having regard that I intend to keep my car for many years I conclude that it’s a small price to pay for providing the best protection to the engine. What however I do not wish to get involved with is a VAG engineer playing around with the cars computer settings for 2 minutes and then adding on £40 to the service bill for the privilege of performing such a menial act.

If car manufacturers wish to concentrate more on improving lubrication qualities, then maybe in the future we will also see oil “byepass filtration systems” fitted as standard which through design have the potential advantages of filtering out very small abrasive particles and contaminants. Indeed many garden ponds have sophisticated filtration systems for the ultimate in purity & quality, and I’m sure such similar levels of thinking would benefit the car industry.

As to Honest Johns tips on preventing turbo seizure I think its become extremely “trendy” to recommend letting the car tick over for a few minutes before turning the engine off following periods of prolonged high speed, or high engine revs. However the facts as I see them is that if I happen to be doing 130mph down the motorway, and I am about to pull into a service station then its 99.99% probably that I will be slowing down to 70mph in the inner lane for at least half a mile (or maybe a mile) before turning off. Thereafter I will be crawling through the carpark for several minutes at 20mph before eventually parking, so I contend that by default I have automatically avoided any instance of immediately switching the engine off after a high speed run.

If turbo’s or engine’s are damaged through some abuse, then I suspect a likelier cause is stepping hard on the gas peddle before the engine has properly reached its normal running temperature. Indeed any one with experience of high performance cars will acknowledge that you NEVER drive hard until the dashboard gauge indicates that the oil has reached its ideal running temperature. That said I doubt that Honest John passes on the tip that Ferrari owners will need a new engine or gearbox if they ignore such basic rules.

Please note within this lengthy post I have not made any reference to Tesco’s.

Regards
Honest John Disdale
 
After picking up my 9 month old 1.4 petrol with 1800 miles on the clock from my dealer, i realised that the service indicator was saying: "SERVICE!"

I took it straight back and I stood over the engineer when he plugged his blue box of tricks under the dash. (in line with the light switch.)
This box of tricks is nothing short of a F1 telenetery unit! It indicated mileage, oil level, QUALITY (at the time, mine said: "OK") brake usage, millage, VIN, reg and a million other things.

The unit was also used to reset my monitor. my indicator dropped dramatically over about a month. It has now stabalised at 13300 miles. (currently 18 months old with 5200 on the clock.)

I think that it goes to show that the on board monitoring system is a lot more complex than you would initially think, i'm sure that if you oil quality did deteriorate, the monitor would kick in.

clever stuff eh? I was amazed. I wonder what kind of sensors yo would use to test the quality?

Hope this helps.

PS: I hope the cpu never goes wrong otherwise thw whole thins b****red!

Neil Howells
A2 1.4 SE - Atlantic Blue
Symphony Radio, Electronic A/C
 
I think most of us are still looking a the servicing issue having grown up with cars that needed continually looking after and a major service every 2 minutes, technology has moved on and so has quality, look at the panel fit on a 1984 ford escort! After all servicing must be one of the most lucrative prospects for most garages, I don't think Audi would deny it's franchises of millions of pounds per year without justification. Consider the long life service a gift and trust the micro processor in your car after all you trust the micro processor in a jet airliner when it takes you on holiday don't you, you believe the information that tells the pilots, so I'll believe my car.
 
I've recently acquired a 2001 tdi se. It had 8k on it and the service interval said 14k to go ie 22k miles for its first service. I know audi say for varible servicing (for a tdi) that it is up to 30000 miles or two years, whichever is sooner but this does depend on how you drive it. Audi also say the average mileage for a service in this cycle is about 22500 miles. I was happy that my car had probably had a average life to date ie mixed driving etc although you can't be too sure about skeletons/closets/perversions!!.

I was alarmed when we first had it in that after having done 2k in it the service interval had dropped by 4. Done 10k next service 10k = 20k, a disproportionate drop! I know the engine takes readings about every 300miles so you need to look at things over a reasonably time. Also at first the car was probably doing a lot short visits (showing off to all my friends at least 3 times a week!!!!) and driven hard (just to see what it went like..thats now stopped!)

The wife now drives the car 60 miles a day on the m/way no more than 75mph.
With this usage the service interval is not reducing disproportinately to mileage covered. Done 12k next service 11k = 23k. Basically for ever 300miles covered the service interval drops by 100miles.....excellent! at this rate (and presuming my maths are right)will mean it won't need servicing until £30k (prediction happens to be approx at the 2 year service interval).

I've deduced from my experiences that the car must assess the engine condition and extrapolate the 'current' driving style. Does anyone else have any experiences to share?

Griff
 
Actual driving style and conditions make a huge difference in how the onboard sensors determine when the next service/oil change is due. The example quoted of a 60 mile motorway return trip each day is for me a prime example of where the car is “seen” as operating at its best, and indeed it is in comparison to 12 trips at 5 miles each.

I am hardly qualified to say, but I would have thought “Griff’s” quoted 30 mile motorway trip (10 times a week) was just about the ultimate for any car. This is also especially so for fuel consumption, when even if it takes 5 miles of driving through a town before accessing the motorway the poor mpg has a great chance of averaging out for the better over the remaining 25 miles.

As was once pointed out on the forum (by someone with a knowledge of oil structures) the basic oil monitoring system in the A2 can be easily thrown into confusion by those driving a big annual mileage, because this can involve the new input of oil – perhaps involving replacing 50% of the sumps content. The problem then being that the sensor regards the oil as relatively un-contaminated, in spite of the fact that the sump could contain a high percentage of detrimental particles that have never evaporated or got burnt off. Moreover it is not as though the system monitoring device is so sophisticated as to be capable of measuring 8 or 10 different parameters of the oils structure, when in the main basic statistics like the number of cold starts are the foundation for calculating/analysing the condition of the oil.

Finally I do think that to associate the technologies that exist in a Jumbo 747 as having any equation to the sensors in the A2 is very colourful in its thinking. After all in several instances the A2 has failed to notify owners of very low levels of oil, and I do not believe that a pilot midway across the Atlantic could accept such potential tolerances.

Regards
John Disdale
 
Hi dodd,

Dont get me wrong, I understand what you are trying to say, however you can never compare an aircraft to a car. The basic design concepts are completely different. Most new cars go into production with major quality issues. Of course these issues are resolved in time, however the key issue is not quality but 'time to market'. They must achieve the release time to optimise profits. Personally I trust AUDI over many other manufacturers, however in my heart I still do not trust 100%.

Kaine

A2 1.4Tdi SE | black | red leather | Concert | Open Sky | A2OC Stickers x2
 
Hi John,

Surprisingly mpg has only been between 55mpg and 61mpg. Can't seem to better that even with the previously quoted usage. Hmmmm...I wonder whether my wife wears heavy shoes but stops at 75mph.

Griff
 
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