1.4 Tdi/1.6 Fsi

suddenly I feel like a second class member of this forum.

;-)

skulks away to smell some 99 octane tesco unleaded
 
Audi A2 1.2 TDi

ecoangel said:
My 1.2 diesel engine weighs 100 kg and is far quiteter than a 1.4 or 1.6 petrol - especially at motorway speeds where the revs stay in the 1200 to 1600 rpm range. Uphill overtaking is a joy - no need to change gear.
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Ecoangel,

Two questions!

Are there any new cars made by VAG that have the 1.2 diesel engine?

Does the A2 1.2 TDi have an auto gearbox (CVT type) or a manual? I got confused by the "no need to change gear". If it has an autobox how do you stop it changing gear???

John.
 
Hi chb
No need to feel second class. There are plenty of us who are happy with our personal choice of car but don't feel the need to ram it down other peoples throats.
If there was such a thing as the perfect A2 which suited everyone then i'm sure Audi would have only built the one model.

Cheers Spike
 
Spike, I don't think this is a petrol vs diesel is best thread, afterall it all depends on personal choice and the type of motoring that you do. I for instance would love a 16 valver again if only I did fewer miles and my motoring was less 'present day' (commute/traffic/cruise control with constant speeds). However, I do think a few people (myself included) probably just wished to make a counter point against the post below - which, I think is an outdated view on diesels, their drivers and indeed rather blunt.

Ian
lyndonbuck said:
Oh no not this again - its easy - if you feel really smug when telling people how cheap your car is to run, buy a diesel, if you like the crude way that diesels deliver power, buy a diesel, if you like smelling like a chip, buy a diesel, if you like looking tight whenever people see your car, buy a diesel, if you like nose heavy cars, buy a diesel, otherwise enjoy yourself, save yourself £1500 and buy a petrol. Easy really.
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Hi Ian
Apologies, I did not intend to tar everyone with the same brush. As you say, yours and many of the other posts were only trying to give the alternative viewpoint to balance the (at times) rather heated discussion.

Cheers Spike (also known as the grumpy old man)
 
Re Fuel Vapour Recovery

ecoangel said:
Lyndonbuck (nothing personal but) may I ask when you last actually drove a diesel? Was it circa 1970?

Things have moved on to such an extent we now have petrol (FSI) engines using modern diesel technology (PD). Even light aeroplanes are getting rid of their 8 litre flat 4 and 6 petrol engines and moving over to Merc A class based diesels that also run on Jet A1 fuel. 1960's Piper Warrior uses 37 litres of 100 Octane an hour vrs 26 litres of diesel for same performance.

My 1.2 diesel engine weighs 100 kg and is far quiteter than a 1.4 or 1.6 petrol - especially at motorway speeds where the revs stay in the 1200 to 1600 rpm range. Uphill overtaking is a joy - no need to change gear. Yes I love raspy sporty petrols like my previous Abarth 127 racecar, Mk1 Golf GTi, and 16v MR2, in fact I now have a superb Fulvia HF 1600 V4, but in the real world of traffic jams and speed cameras those machines are best left to the race track. When it comes to C02 emissions petrols are way behind. Worried about particulates? Get a particulate filter or run on a blend of biodiesel.

Why do US petrol pumps have suck back covers on the nozzels and UK ones don't? Cause invisible benzine based vapours in petrol are cancer provoking.


My advice would be if you do more than 10,000 miles a year then get the diesel. If you want lower road tax, get the diesel. If you want more mpg without worrying about throttle useage (and yes even with unleaded v petrol price differences) get the diesel.

If you want a track car pay your money and get interesting & fun machine like a Lancia Delta Integrale, Lotus Elise or an old 911. Run it on 100 octane, then tow it home again with a diesel estate!

As my grandad used to say "you're entitled to your ignorance lad!".
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I work for a firm of Architects, we dealt with the construction of a safeway store back in 1992/3 and this involved a petrol filling station, all the pipework for vapour recovery was installed as a PFS license requirement, so the equipment is there for most of the stations by now, the Gov't needs to enforce the issue with the suppliers!
 
I agree. Given you are interested in an A2 you have already made the right choice whichever engine you pick (except the 1.4 petrol)

Most people on here are likely to be slightly prejudiced to the car they drive. I'd have probably been happy with either but having owned a 75 TDi for a year can't recommend it enough.

My mileage figure probably doesn't justify a TDi
but then my car was sold to me by my brother in law so I didn't get much choice. 6500 a year ago for a 50k TDi sport on an 02 plate felt like a fricking steal and I could probably get at least that a year later selling privately so I literally bit his hand off :)

One thing I would say is take a test drive in both if possible. the 75 diesel is surprising and pulls very well. I had a friend (admittedly not a car freak like us) ask if it was a 1.9 TDi when I gave him a lift (he has previously owned golf TDi's so I think he at least has a bit of knowledge)
 
Blimey I didn't want to upset anyone, maybe smelling all that diesel interferes with one's sense of humour? Last diesel I drove was a 90tdi a2 which I test drove, at the same time as buying an fsi. I don't drive the fsi all the time, a couple of times a week, while I drive my old (1989) BMW M3 when my girlfriend uses it. Please don't think I'm saying that the fsi is a better car than the tdi, just different. The fsi is terrible compared to my 17 year old BMW - slow, rough, uncomfortable seats, poor ride, but much more practical, safer, maybe a bit better built but I'm not really convinced about that. I'm not anti diesel, her last car was a 1.4 diesel Peugeot 106 which was great as it was worth £400 so the fact that it was noisy, harsh and smelly was OK, but I paid 10 big ones for the A2 and wanted something a bit less noisy and rattly. I would hate for anyone to get upset over what car they've got, there are far more important things to worry about. I have been driven in a good diesel - a BMW 330d - and it was fantastic, you wouldn't know it was a diesel - its just that I wasn't impressed by the little Audi diesel, sorry.
 
I like driving cars with turbos, diesel/petrol - not fussed

I drive 40-50k a year and pay for my own fuel which leans me to the diesel
 
Poor_John: The 1.2 TDI (as fitted to VW Lupo 3L, Arosa 3L and A2) has a manual gearbox attached but no clutch pedal. It is electronically controlled 5 speed box which has an two auto modes (ECO and Drive) and a tiptronic style gate where you can make manual gearchanges. The latter is similar to those cars with paddle shift technology.

tdiman: interesting point about petrol stations

lyndonbuck: each to his own - as i said I love driving fast petrol cars (especially on no speed limit autobahns and racce tracks) but financially and environmentally speaking there are lots of good arguments for small diesel engines - especially those running on biodiesel.
 
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