Riba
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With the decline of demand the price should fall...or at least one can hope so.
Do you want an electric A2?
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With the decline of demand the price should fall...or at least one can hope so.
Troender
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The economic theories of supply and demand may lead us to hope for cheaper fuel when internal combustion engines become less common. But in my country, which is sparsely populated, with few large cities, and long distances, I fear that the costs of transporting fuel to all corners of the country will be shared among fewer customers - this will lead to more expensive petrol/diesel. In addition to that, it will not be surprising if there are even more political measures to get us over to Electric vehicles more quickly.
I've driven quite a few electric cars, and can't wait. They are a joy to drive, and work mostly without a problem. And they are cheap to run!
By the way: This is how a new Service Station in Norway looks. The future is EVs, so the speedloaders is placed on the front, and I have to go to the back of the station to fill up my A2.
This is how the future looks!
I've driven quite a few electric cars, and can't wait. They are a joy to drive, and work mostly without a problem. And they are cheap to run!
By the way: This is how a new Service Station in Norway looks. The future is EVs, so the speedloaders is placed on the front, and I have to go to the back of the station to fill up my A2.
This is how the future looks!
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Ami
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Money really, the more electric cars, the less income, they are loosing revenue from road Tax
Troender
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Wow... That`s really stupid.Money really, the more electric cars, the less income, they are loosing revenue from road Tax
If the UK is to meet its climate emission targets, it must be a political goal to get as many Electric cars on the road as possible. This will only slow down that development.
The success here in Norway has two main reasons:
1. Politicians have made it cheap to both buy and use electric cars. (This, of course, means that the state loses revenue. But you don't have to spend money on expensive climate measures elsewhere in the budget.)
2. An impressive network of charging stations has been built around the country. Even small places have their charging station. It's already much harder to find a fuel pump with 98-octane gas than a fast charger.
The result of all this is that people have grown in to both trusting, and loving the new technology. The last combution engine driven car sold in Norway is only a couple of years away.
Alan_uk
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There are a number of YT videos from owners in the UK showing the cost of running an EV is cheaper than ICE but they tend to have their own PV and/or use off-peak electricity like Octopus. Capital costs and depreciation are higher at the moment.
A recent article says Motorway Ultra-fast charging is 65p/kWh; Rapid charging: 55p/kWh; and Fast charging: 44p/kWh.
Octopus Go 12p / kWh rate for four hours every night (between 12.30 and 4.30am or Octopus Agile where there are low but variable overnight rates and high rates 4pm-7pm - all notified 24 hours in advance (e.g. on 18 Jan 2023 the average was 30p/kWh and varied +3p/-4p). As a comparison my green tariff (not Octopus) is now almost 34p kWh (excluding the daily fixed charge).
Norway has an abundance of green electricity from hydro. So much that it exports a lot. It would be interesting to know the Norwegian electricity costs.
Hats off for all the work that has been done and conversion.
But I would be really reluctant to use such converted car. New EVs from mainstream manufacturers burn and probability of a fire in such conversion project is miles higher. No, thank you.
I had a petrol car with aftermarket LPG and after 5 years I have decided to replace ALL the rubber tubes for water collant, etc. When removing them they just broke, while OEM parts were still in perfect operating state. I learned my lesson there. And LPG conversion has been done from a reputable conversion garage.
Great to have a first hand guy from Norway. Interesting to read this. How many EV fires do you have? How is the state od underground parking? Are EVs allowed in? Since the second ship fire, that should be a really good discussion point.
Troender
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There are no restrictions on electric cars in inhouse or underground car parks, tunells or on ferries here in Norway.
Yes, electric cars occasionally catch fire. But so do ICE cars. In fact, the most dramatic car fire in recent Norwegian history is a fire that started in an Opel Safira in a car park at the airport outside Stavanger in south-west Norway.
www.thedrive.com
My point is that fuel-powered cars also catch fire every once in a while. But we have become so used to that technology that we don't talk about that problem. In other words, the problem of fire in electric cars is, in my view, greatly exaggerated, because it is linked to new technology.
Conserning the fire on that Car Carrying ship: Fires like that is nothing new. If you do a historic search you will find several such fires from the time that all cars where Internal Combustion Engine-powered.
This example is from 1998: https://safety4sea.com/cm-maritime-history-fire-on-board-car-carrier-eurasian-drea
Why didn`t that fire cause an national discussion about trasnportation of dangerous flamable cars?
I think it all boils down to the natural human skepticism of anything new.
Yes, electric cars occasionally catch fire. But so do ICE cars. In fact, the most dramatic car fire in recent Norwegian history is a fire that started in an Opel Safira in a car park at the airport outside Stavanger in south-west Norway.
Norwegian Airport Parking Garage Fire Torches Hundreds of Cars, Grounds Flights
The 3,000-car structure was said to be nearly full when flames started spreading from the ground floor.
www.thedrive.com
My point is that fuel-powered cars also catch fire every once in a while. But we have become so used to that technology that we don't talk about that problem. In other words, the problem of fire in electric cars is, in my view, greatly exaggerated, because it is linked to new technology.
Conserning the fire on that Car Carrying ship: Fires like that is nothing new. If you do a historic search you will find several such fires from the time that all cars where Internal Combustion Engine-powered.
This example is from 1998: https://safety4sea.com/cm-maritime-history-fire-on-board-car-carrier-eurasian-drea
Why didn`t that fire cause an national discussion about trasnportation of dangerous flamable cars?
I think it all boils down to the natural human skepticism of anything new.
Audimad
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How can ICE cars catch fire? Wouldn’t they just melt?There are no restrictions on electric cars in inhouse or underground car parks, tunells or on ferries here in Norway.
Yes, electric cars occasionally catch fire. But so do ICE cars. In fact, the most dramatic car fire in recent Norwegian history is a fire that started in an Opel Safira in a car park at the airport outside Stavanger in south-west Norway.
Norwegian Airport Parking Garage Fire Torches Hundreds of Cars, Grounds Flights
The 3,000-car structure was said to be nearly full when flames started spreading from the ground floor.
My point is that fuel-powered cars also catch fire every once in a while. But we have become so used to that technology that we don't talk about that problem. In other words, the problem of fire in electric cars is, in my view, greatly exaggerated, because it is linked to new technology.
Conserning the fire on that Car Carrying ship: Fires like that is nothing new. If you do a historic search you will find several such fires from the time that all cars where Internal Combustion Engine-powered.
This example is from 1998: https://safety4sea.com/cm-maritime-history-fire-on-board-car-carrier-eurasian-drea
Why didn`t that fire cause an national discussion about trasnportation of dangerous flamable cars?
I think it all boils down to the natural human skepticism of anything new.
Riba
Member
My problem with the electric cars is that they should have been small, light, nimble and *affordable*, but all that went down the drain because market wanted EV SUVs that cost tens of thousands. On top of it, none of them would be repairable, they will be appliances with most likely planned obsolescence forcing you to replace them at regular intervals. All this means that the benefit for the environment would be questionable.
Also, can't recall the source but I read a very interesting article argumenting that there simply isn't enough raw materials on this planet to manufacture all the batteries needed to replace all the ICE vehicles with EV counterparts which inevitably means that not everyone will be able or allowed to drive. *Shudder*
Also, can't recall the source but I read a very interesting article argumenting that there simply isn't enough raw materials on this planet to manufacture all the batteries needed to replace all the ICE vehicles with EV counterparts which inevitably means that not everyone will be able or allowed to drive. *Shudder*
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Yes, they are! The electricity price here is determined by the price of gas. Electricity is also subject to carbon taxes - even solar and wind! Gas however is not, even though it's a fossil fuel! New gas and oil fields in the North Sea are being enabled by huge government subsidies; renewables receive no subsidies. These people are either ignorant and scientifically and economically illiterate or they are receiving large amounts of money from fossil fuel companies.
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Update. Johannes delivers the electric A2 to Thomas - a 350km journey using a temporary CSS charging port that gets damaged towards the end but he made it. Thomas will charge at a lower rate using his PV panels.
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I'm not sure why the new owner would not want a Type 2 charge point on the car. It wouldn't stop him from charging from his solar system and he could also charge elsewhere. Also I wouldn't charge a Nissan Leaf battery using CCS (DC) since there's no battery temperature control. The same applies to an E-Up.
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It is possible to charge a Leaf with CCS but that's why S/H Leafs are so cheap!
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You're being a bit selective, aren't you?
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