Formal Request For Moderation Team Stance

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Birchall said:
Jeff was genuine and was merely giving people a heads up, but as we have seen, people were quick to "put their names down" for parts on the thread, so it had the effect of a "for sale" thread whether intended or no (in this case NOT). Those people doing that were also genuine members meaning no harm and understandably wanted to get their names down for parts that they may have been searching for for ages!!!

Please can this not boil up into a negative atmosphere, it gives the wrong impression to the many viewers, hopefully Jeff will have his polite explanation and a line can be drawn under this.

Steve B
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Nail on the head here. Nothing wrong with the original thread, it was just what it turned in to. Sorry to see you and your car go. Attention to detail inspiring.

Paul (brompton)
 
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Having researched the subject would I be correct in thinking that on the vBulletin platform it is not possible for me to delete my user account?
 
J3FVW said:
Having researched the subject would I be correct in thinking that on the vBulletin platform it is not possible for me to delete my user account?
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As far as I know, that's correct. A forum admin must delete your account. However, it'd be a shame if your history on this site was to vanish just because you've sold your A2. Almost everyone who moves on leaves behind their contribution.

Cheers,

Tom
 
timmus said:
As far as I know, that's correct. A forum admin must delete your account. However, it'd be a shame if your history on this site was to vanish just because you've sold your A2. Almost everyone who moves on leaves behind their contribution.

Cheers,

Tom
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If it was just a case of selling up and moving on I wouldn't hesitate in leaving my history for future reference. Sadly it has become more complicated than I would have wanted.

From my side unless there is a late in the day change of approach from the powers that be, and the current status quo remains, then I will seek to delete my account as I have already publicly stated I would.

Jeff
 
Why are you so upset?

You posted in marketplace without pricing anything... the moderators did what they do to anyone who did that...

Now you want to hold the forum hostage to your demands?

If I had done it I would have apologies for posting in marketplace without pricing anything and move on...

We are all here because we are enthusiasts of an old car that we want to maintain and keep on the road and we do that by sharing knowledge tips and how tos...

I benefit from this every single day

This helps me keep my old car on the road and we help keep cars from the scrap heap too by doing repairs ourselves and keeping costs down.

You may feel “slighted” by the admins but holding the forum hostage to your demands seems childish and nasty.

As others have said, nobody had any malice to you but if we want to talk about feelings and feeling slighted one could make the case that you are offending everyone on the forum.

I could be wrong but I haven’t seen an apology for violating the marketplace rules.

Apologies if I missed it.

I’m only speaking for myself but I do think it’s a bit silly to threaten the deletion of your contributions because you violated the rules albeit unintentionally...

Yet you are still slinging ultimatums...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_lady_doth_protest_too_much,_methinks
 
I'm not going to name any names but it was suggested to me that perhaps I ought to do a "preliminary" advert for my car. Sadly my original post isn't available to view but I would say that is exactly what it was. As I have said before, at that point my car wasn't for sale as it needed work to get it into a saleable state but my mind was made up that it would shortly be for sale so that I can move onto pastures new.

preliminary
prɪˈlɪmɪn(ə)ri/
adjective
adjective: preliminary

1.
preceding or done in preparation for something fuller or more important.
"a preliminary draft"
synonyms: preparatory, introductory, initial, opening, prefatory, prior, preceding, lead-in, initiatory, precursory; More
early, advance, exploratory, pilot, test, trial, experimental, explorative;
rareprecursive, prodromal, prodromic, preludial, prelusive, prelusory
"the discussions are still at a preliminary stage"
qualifying, eliminating
"the preliminary rounds of the European Cup"
antonyms: concluding, closing, final

noun
noun: preliminary; plural noun: preliminaries

1.
a preliminary action or event.
"the bombardment was resumed as a preliminary to an infantry attack"
synonyms: prelude, preparation, preliminary/preparatory measure, preliminary action, overture, groundwork, first round
"political activity was seen as a necessary preliminary to the resumption of the military campaign"

I'm not going to get into slanging matches with anybody but when this suggestion emanated from the moderating team that then start pulling your post to pieces then I'm sure most people would take umbrage at that.

If this upsets some members then that is unfortunate and certainly isn't something that I would wish to happen. I do however take offence at accusations that I am making childish demands and being nasty.

Maybe the above puts things in a slightly different light? Maybe not but that's where I'm coming from.

Jeff
 
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Time to practice some Adulting.

It doesn’t matter that someone else suggested you post a preliminary ad. You are responsible for your actions.

Man up and accept that your post violated rules of marketplace , apologies and move on.

It’s not a grievous act that anyone holds against you, it is actually no big deal... post your ad when it is ready and priced and available for sale. That’s it.

You are not a child, what I am beginning to find offensive are your ultimatums ... you are in effect holding the forum to Ransom

All I’ve heard is threats and claims to how offended you are by admins...

Well, I find your ultimatum offensive

You still haven’t said sorry for violating marketplace rules which I would certainly have done had I posted an ad like yours.

It doesn’t matter how many excuses you mention, how many people encouraged you to post the ad, what your intentions really were etc etc...

We are a community here and I don’t think I feel comfortable about it being held to ransom...

everyone’s contributions to the community are important and worthily...

You want to violate the rules and then make ultimatums that the forum do what you want or else you will delete your account? Well, all you are doing is drawing attention to the kind of person you really are.

The sad thing is if you had simply said, oops I’ll post when car is ready for sale sorry guys for confusion etc nobody would have even remembered or thought about it ever again...

Because it’s no big deal...

But omg you are offended and the forum better do what you demand or else you’ll delete your account...

Well...
 
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OldSchool said:
Time to practice some Adulting.

It doesn’t matter that someone else suggested you post a preliminary ad. You are responsible for your actions.

Man up and accept that your post violated rules of marketplace , apologies and move on.

It’s not a grievous act that anyone holds against you, it is actually no big deal... post your ad when it is ready and priced and available for sale. That’s it.

You are not a child, what I am beginning to find offensive are your ultimatums ... you are in effect holding the forum to Ransom

All I’ve heard is threats and claims to how offended you are by admins...

Well, I find your ultimatum offensive

You still haven’t said sorry for violating marketplace rules which I would certainly have done had I posted an ad like yours.

It doesn’t matter how many excuses you mention, how many people encouraged you to post the ad, what your intentions really were etc etc...

We are a community here and I don’t think I feel comfortable about it being held to ransom...

everyone’s contributions to the community are important and worthily...

You want to violate the rules and then make ultimatums that the forum do what you want or else you will delete your account? Well, all you are doing is drawing attention to the kind of person you really are.
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It seems that my decision to leave is looking like a good one then. Though quite why the owner of a relatively new user account should be so offended I find puzzling.

Having looked at your profile and post history I didn't see you posting about how offended you were when certain sections of the "community" were seeking to tarnish the reputation of another (prolific) member a few months back. I seem to recall speaking out against that but you were quiet?

Equally when I was selling an item several months ago I highlighted that I would take an extremely dim view of anbody who bought the item to "make a quick buck" as had happened to me in the past. I was selling the item extremely cheaply as I myself had managed to get it at a bargain price so did the community spirited thing and sold it on at no profit whatsoever and as a bonus met a very nice fellow A2 enthusiast in the process. These are my credentials and I am sure there are many members whom I have dealt with that can vouch for me being neither childish or offensive.

I am however a man of principle (an adult and for your information a father and husband so am well versed in the ways of the adult world) and possess an extremely strong will. If that offends you then there is little I can do to rectify that.

In the adult world it is common that if parties have fundamental differences of opinion and cannot reach a resolution then one of those parties resigns. I am doing no different but I reserve the right to challenge what I see as inconsistent moderating before I take the final step as this may well be of benefit to you or other members in the future. Yes there is also self interest as I think my post should be reinstated but I am not going to descend into a spiral of depression if that does not happen and I leave the forum.

Jeff
 
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someone reply to informative posts, rather than worrying about moderater's actions and such... grow up.
Ad got deleted, they don't like fishing for client base...

price = negotiable sale / ready immediately.

"This is what i got posts", means waiting for ppl to offer and waiting till your ready to sell... plain and simple of it... you want forum help and chat... start fixer upper project post title... not "i am selling when this is ready topic."

you were blatantly ( in my eyes) waiting for more ppl to see the thread and all the work u wanted to do, thus getting max price.

Fed up of OC' clubs elevating prices of there vehicle to maintain market value! just because they are sitting on 3 of the same cars.. not here in particular, over at Mazda MPS OC, had a real go, ppl were telling owners on posts that they are charging to little for the car??? what is it to them, do they know the owners needs or actual car condition??? Idiots, greedy, idiots.
 
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J3FVW said:
It seems that my decision to leave is looking like a good one then. Though quite why the owner of a relatively new user account should be so offended I find puzzling.

Having looked at your profile and post history I didn't see you posting about how offended you were when certain sections of the "community" were seeking to tarnish the reputation of another (prolific) member a few months back. I seem to recall speaking out against that but you were quiet?

Equally when I was selling an item several months ago I highlighted that I would take an extremely dim view of anbody who bought the item to "make a quick buck" as had happened to me in the past. I was selling the item extremely cheaply as I myself had managed to get it at a bargain price so did the community spirited thing and sold it on at no profit whatsoever and as a bonus met a very nice fellow A2 enthusiast in the process. These are my credentials and I am sure there are many members whom I have dealt with that can vouch for me being neither childish or offensive.

I am however a man of principle (an adult and for your information a father and husband so am well versed in the ways of the adult world) and possess an extremely strong will. If that offends you then there is little I can do to rectify that.

In the adult world it is common that if parties have fundamental differences of opinion and cannot reach a resolution then one of those parties resigns. I am doing no different but I reserve the right to challenge what I see as inconsistent moderating before I take the final step as this may well be of benefit to you or other members in the future. Yes there is also self interest as I think my post should be reinstated but I am not going to descend into a spiral of depression if that does not happen and I leave the forum.

Jeff
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Great, I’m being investigated now... whatever...

Jeff, the problem is resigning and threatening to delete all the content you posted in a community car enthusiasts forum unless the admins meet your demands are two distinctly different things.
 
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you were blatantly ( in my eyes) waiting for more ppl to see the thread and all the work u wanted to do, thus getting max price.

Fed up of OC' clubs eleavating prices of there vehicle to maintain market valvue! just because they are sitting on 3 of the same cars.. not here in particular, over at Mazda MPS OC, had a real go, ppl were telling owners on posts that they are charging to little for the car??? what is it to them, do they know the owners needs or actual car condition??? Idiots, greedy, idiots.
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I think should pipe up here in Jeff's defence, as I see the above remarks to be radically untrue. Having dealt with Jeff previously (indeed I benefited in the above mentioned transaction) I can whole heartedly support Jeff's assertation that he is not here to "get max price" from his dealings on the forum, and in fact would argue the other way. It was a (admittedly) mistaken attempt to get some idea of the parts' values.

As to the accusation of the Owners' Club general community trying to elevate prices to maintain market value, I think you are WAYYYY off the mark in present company, and perhaps do not understand the philosophy of the A2OC. This totally goes against the A2OC principles, and is one of the reasons for the above rules (and possibly lead to the whole sorry mess that this post has become).

As I said before I'm genuinely sorry that Jeff seems to have made his mind up to leave the club for his own reasons, but I still respect him as a person, who holds (held) similar values to other club members in not trying to rip people off, which it seems you are implying other members do.
 
I have met Jeff and many of the mods. I am puzzled by this. At the risk of getting embroiled and not having seen any coms OR spoken to any of the participants here's my twa'penneth....
Jeff and to be frank all the members of A2OC I have met are some of the nicest most reasonable folk I have ever come across.
The role of forum mod is an unenviable task and from my (limited) vista I have never seen mods make an outrageous decision, but I appreciate that some are marginal.
Jeff, superficially to post in a "classifieds" section without prices is a clear violation of the rules, not sure who said what to you, but to keep consistency of rules application I can see why your post was suspended.
I am really puzzled why you are so aggrieved. You are a fab and reasonable bloke. So either something has happened in the context of this that some of us (including me!) don't get OR you are being a little bit of a snowflake. Having met you I am inclined to think the former, but I genuinely can't see why this has become such a big issue.

I also support the forum NEVER deleting historic posts. So for the record, if I ever flounce for reasons of shirt choice or the fact I now drive mainly a BMW i3 milkfloat I give permission to the forum to never delete my half dozen or so positive contributions to the forum, and any others that add context or continuum to existing threads.

Stay chilled and feel the A2 love.
 
Moderators can do a hard or soft delete as you say , deleting an account is from memory not a mod level action but admin level from my time as a mod . The application of the rules can generally be down interpretation by said mods who can get it wrong . You will be surprised that mods also have to put up with a lot of bell ends throwing hissy fits too ( there's at least one one here that's like that on several forums )
 
I'm also in favour of not deleting all members posts and thought it was in the Club's rules........words to the effect that members are publishing on a public forum and their input becomes part of the Club's history. Removal of individuals posts invariably results in the related thread becoming totally out of context and often unreadable, making the contributions and efforts from other members almost worthless.

In the distant past, when I was part of the management team, we did this once for another member and it was a nightmare. I thought it was as a result of this the 'no going back' rule was introduced.
There will obviously always be special circumstances where it's common sense for specific posts or threads to be removed.

Cheers Spike
 
Hi Jeff,

We've never met nor had any dealings but I have read your contributions, including the 'offending' post, and have always thought of you as one of the stalwarts of this forum. I can understand both sides of the argument that has led to your decision to leave but do wish that you would reconsider, not least because I'd hoped to read about your planned Lupo quest. I have been disappointed to read those contributions to this thread where it has been suggested that your ADVANCE NOTICE post was intended to 'drum up business' or where it has been suggested that you have behaved less than honorably in either that or this thread - my guess is that those comments were made by people unaware of the ethics of this forum but who perhaps have experience of less scrupulous sites - please don't imagine that those are the prevailing views.

Best regards,

Jeff
 
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