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With a few people reporting 'low' levels of gearbox oil could it be that this level is the OEM recommendation? Is there a workshop manual that can give guidance?

My gearbox oil was changed yesterday as part of the 5th gear upgrade (report to follow)and even though there were the 'tell tale' signs of a black stain on the undertray (indicating an oil leak from the drive shafts) plenty of oil came out. So the OEM advice of 2 litres is still correct. I therefore think, as Mike suggests, that you should all check your gearbox oil levels - but how this can be done easily I do not know - Anyone any ideas?
 
As far as I am aware you remove the filler plug and the oil should be upto the hole, if not it needs topping up until oil starts to run back out. This is common across most VAG 'boxes I believe. Having my oil changed later this morning by Mike.
 
Unfortunately there's no easy way to check the levels of gearbox oil as you ideally need to raise the car, remove the undertray, remove the filler plug and then check that the oil is level with the bottom of the filler hole, which means having the car dead level.

Probably the easiest way to do this is to just change the oil every 4-5 years and then you can be assured of having fresh oil and the right amount, as all that is needed is to drain the old stuff and then refill with the correct amount (2 litres) of new oil.

Cheers,

Mike
 
0.659 5th Gear Upgrade Report

Firsty, my thanks to Mike for doing such a professional job and for his hospitality and patience answering my basic (not to me) questions about the A2.

With a mapped 75 my expectations were that I would end up with a 4 gear box with overdrive that would suit the high amount of motorway driving I usually do. What I found was that I still had a 5 speed box - i.e the step between 4th & 5th is not too big. Sure you need to change up at higher revs, so will have to adapt the way I drive the car, but the gains of driving at higher speed with lower revs make it a much better car to drive, it feels a more powerful car on the motorway. The only problem is that you are tempted to drive faster because the car is smoothly driving along at 70mph approx 2,200 rpm which is right in the power sweet spot so the meerest touches on the accelerator and you are up to 85mph and beyond.

Is the car quieter - YES, but not a major reason to have this done.

What about MPG? Well at the moment the jury is out. Let me explain

I had planned to compare the mpg on the way up to Mike with the return journey over the same route, but the traffic gods were against me as the TMC directed me A21/M25 West/M40/M6 etc and on the way back across the peaks/M1/M25 East/A21. So the only comparable part of the route was A21 but again the conditions were different (time of day, traffic etc) so it was not an exact comparison.
On the way up the A21 is a mix of A roads and dual carriageway and I averaged 58mph (roads were clear at 3am) and achieved vis DIS 59mpg. When I hit the motorway I set the cruise to 70mph and before hitting traffic south of Manchester achieved 57mpg.
On the way back I tried to start measuring from the M1 but could not use cruise due to traffic and there are big sections of 50mph avg speed checks, so I resorted to measuring over short distances. At 70mph, I was getting around 59/60mpg which was disapointing as i was not using cruise (that tends to return poorer mpg figs). In the 50mph sections I was getting about 66mpg, which was lower than expected. I then hit the M25 carpark, so stopped all measuring until the return stretch of the A21 where I achieved 70mpg (compared to 58mpg on the way up). This figure was of course much better. So from these figures you could say that at the start there was marginal improvement, then the figs got worse, then they got better. The bottom line is that this was not an accurate enough test and also I think there will be an element of the gearbox settling down.

In summary, not sure if the mpg saving will be that significant and if you rarely use a motorway I would say this upgrade is not for you but if you do regularly travel at 60mph and over then this is a dynamic upgrade that will enhance your A2 experience.
 
I have an appointment with Stealth for a remap but hope to give the A2 a try with mixed Wiltshire driving (as opposed to Peak District driving) to see whether I really need the remap. Adrian thinks it's a no brainer given a forthcoming continental trip!

Alan - where are you going on your trip? As a veteran of the Autobahns/Autostradas I would consider that a re-map is an essential SAFETY upgrade, particularly as you now have a more dynamic 5th gear. Put simply, you need extra power to react quickly on these very fast roads.

If you are in any doubt take a trip down to me and you can try ours out, and i can almost guarantee you will get it done.
 
The only problem is that you are tempted to drive faster because the car is smoothly driving along at 70mph approx 2,200 rpm which is right in the power sweet spot so the meerest touches on the accelerator and you are up to 85mph and beyond.

Is the car quieter - YES, but not a major reason to have this done.

Interesting you saying that. Was that based on 70mph?
I wonder if tyre size makes a difference to the aerodynamic noise vs. engine noise perception levels?
 
Interesting you saying that. Was that based on 70mph?
I wonder if tyre size makes a difference to the aerodynamic noise vs. engine noise perception levels?

Yes at 70mph and most definitely perception, but the point I was trying to make is that the main and overriding benefit has been that I now have a more dynamic/resposive car on the motorway because of the lower rpm
 
Interesting to read your feedback Robin. Everyone has differing reasons for the change of ratio and i agree with your use of 'dynamic' as a good enough reason in itself. I am still very happy with the swap and hopefully after this mornings gear oil change and linkage adjustment I can now look forward to many miles of enhanced driving experience. Your comments regarding the safety benefits are interesting as we are planning a European road trip next year through Germany to Austria and Hungary (although we may go by Porker if i still have it:)).

I am sure tyre/wheel spec also has an effect on noise, since fitting the 15" wheels/tyres there is definately a reduction in road noise. talking to Mike this morning he has found like me the drop in engine noise has made the wind noise all the more noticable.
 
Having got back to my usual routine i can safely say that the longer 5th gear, aero mods and FSD's are now returning the same mpg as when i had the 16'' rims with 185 tyres. The tyres really do make the differance!

On the plus side though the handling, breaking and turning is far far superior. I will give my proper mpg once i have filled up and will continue to monitor - i expect it to get better as my driving style settles.
 
Alan - where are you going on your trip? As a veteran of the Autobahns/Autostradas I would consider that a re-map is an essential SAFETY upgrade, particularly as you now have a more dynamic 5th gear. Put simply, you need extra power to react quickly on these very fast roads.

If you are in any doubt take a trip down to me and you can try ours out, and i can almost guarantee you will get it done.

Many thanks for the offer. As both you and Adrian are saying this then I need to defer to the experts!

I'm off to Sweden via tunnel, France, Belgium, Germany, and Denmark. Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't it only Germany that doesn't have any Autobahns speed limits [I'm still to research all the different regs].
 
Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't it only Germany that doesn't have any Autobahns speed limits [I'm still to research all the different regs].

Correct and only some are unlimited, but it is not just speed, you will encounter different driving styles, so best to have a bit of power on tap. Having said that I am sure you will have no problems and you will find the lane discipline a refreshing change from this country. If you want real fun, go to Italy, where the rules of the road are certainly interesting.
 
they are completely mad - if you go with the mindset that they are all trying to kill you, you will be ok!

And dont forget if you park anywhere be aware of the old italian bump nudge! They will happily bump your car so they can get theirs in :eek:
 
they are completely mad - if you go with the mindset that they are all trying to kill you, you will be ok!

And dont forget if you park anywhere be aware of the old italian bump nudge! They will happily bump your car so they can get theirs in :eek:

To quote my good friend Antonio who was trying to explain to me that Italians are good drivers - 'considering that we drive so badly, you would expect us to have more accidents, so therefore we must be skilful drivers':)
 
mediterraneans in general

mediterraneans are all bad/dangerous drivers. It should the sun's fault, which is known to be no merciful in those countries and /or the burden of History , who knows ... :rolleyes:
 
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I can report that this 5th gear upgrade on fast roads is as bad as a remap on fuel consumption. Note to self - must control my right foot!
It really is the missing 6th gear that a remapped tdi cries out for.
 
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