Importing and cost of 1.2TDi

Yoy could allso import one from Denmark, because of a' tax discount, the 3L model where actually really cheap here, so there is about 600 cars, and they are the real 3L(no clima and power sterring)
There are a' lot of tax return if you export a' car from Denmark. Yoy can check the danish autotrader website www.bilbasen.dk
 
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Yoy could allso import one from Denmark, because of a' tax discount, the 3L model where actually really cheap here, so there is about 600 cars, and they are the real 3L(no clima and power sterring)
There are a' lot of tax return if you export a' car from Denmark. Yoy can check the danish autotrader website www.bilbasen.dk
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As you say there are two versions of the A2 1.2 TDi - super lightweight 3 litre/100 km diesel consumption model and the more common 3.2 litre/100km that Lukas and I have.

The main difference is 3L version had very light weight composite rear bench seat, no cabin climate control, no power steering, basic tape/radio audio fit, absolute minimum interior trim fixtures and fittings and no factory options other than body colour mirror housings!

In other words, nothing that could add weight to the production homologated car allowed to ensure all delivered from the factory gate could deliver 3 litre/100 km consumption level.

In Denmark this level of fuel consumption efficiecy gave a VERY large car purchse tax reduction compared to almost every other new car available in the market. Still a large tax bill compared to UK and rest of EU, but a real benefit for Danish motorists.

I looked at importing a new A2 1.2 TDI from Denmark, main attraction being market specific no cost option Yellow paint!
Car wasn't any cheaper than sourcing a new 3L from Germany, though once I knew there was no power steering I decided a 3L wasn't for me due to my disability (see old press launch article (Telegraph?) re Herculean driver input effort on twisty roads).

Denmark must be a good source for this model though, with so many imported - especially if, unlike other EU countries, the original car tax is refunded to an exporter!!!

Ciao,

Erling
 
I have found this thread interesting as the possibility of owning a 1.2TDi definitely appeals. Plenty of 1.2's in Denmark (thanks for the link) but I have just done some rough calculations: 190,000-200,000 Kroner equates to £17,000 - £18,000 !!! That had better be a hefty tax return!
 
There is allso cd player, no tape!

The new price was 260.000kr, and now 5 years after it is 180-190.000kr, very nice economy!

Yes you get the tax return when you export, it is a' new law, because of the high tax. Normally you pay 180% in tax, but with the 3L model you only paid 60% tax.

That's why there are so "many"of them in denmark.

A' new VW passat tdi in denmark cost arround 400-450.000kr so there you see how insane the prices are in this country!

But one very populare model is the vw lupo 3L, there is allot of these cars here, because of the tax discount. So many so there is a very big club only specifik fore this model www.lupo3lklub.dk

There are allso 2 workshops with allot of skills in this model, they now overything about the gearbox and all the hitech components, that vw and audi know nothing about.

I use these ressurces allot, because it is not a normal car!
 
Hi All,

I've registered recently as I'm also looking around for an A2 3L. I've been driving a 3L Lupo for 2,5 years now and I always loved the design of the A2.

As a member of the Dutch 3L club I have some good contacts with the Danish 3L club and because of that I also looked into the possibilty of importing an A2 from Denmark. Unfortunately, as Denmark is part of the EU I won't get any money back. This means I would pay about almost double for a basic A2 3L compared to an almost full optional A2 3L from Germany.

The reason the Lupo and A2 3L ar so populair in Denmark is not only because of the low tax on the car.
The road tax in Denmark is calculated by the fuel consumption of the car. You pay around 25 Euro (around 17 GBP) a year in road tax for a 3L :)
 
Thanks for the link to mobile.de.
I won,t be buying a car that way unless I can find one with RHD. I feel less safe on our roads, in LHD cars these days. Back in the 1960s and 1970s, when I was test driving at GKN, on overdrives and clutches, I drove quite a few LHD cars, AMC Gremlin, Volvo 164, Volvo 144, to name but a few, but these days I am too old and slow. Don't get me wrong, I am still capable but want to cut down the risks to a minimum.
I will be buying a bike that way though.
KTM 640 Adventure 2002 - €4000 (UK approx £4000)
I will trade in:
Aprilia Moto 6.5 1997 - €3000 (UK approx £1000)
Thanks once again.
 
A2 3L - and they are the real 3L(no clima and power sterring).
Well, this restores my faith in human nature. I thought I was the only person left in the world who didn't want their car to be full of extras.
I won't be buying a 3L, although I think it is a great idea for a car. Built as light and simply as possible, but completely and thoroughly engineered.
I wonder if it is still possible to order a new RHD car from Europe? This was all the rage a few years ago.
As A2s don't exist anymore I would have to buy a Dune (Cross in De.).
Spec: 1.4 TSI (or 1.6 or 2.0, if they existed). 6 Speed sequential manual DSG box (if they existed). 4 Motion (if they existed). Brembo brakes, with separate rear handbrake caliper. Steel Wheels (I would try to find some forged BBS RGs or other Fuchs forged wheels to fit). Simple instruments plugged into simple flat dashboard. Manual windows. No air -con. No radio. Manual rear view mirriors. Recaro lightweight seats. All black interior. No bright, trim inside or out.
Sort of a Porsche "Club Sport" spec.
 
I forgot the road tax, that's correct!

I'm pretty sure that you get the tax return if you export a' car, well i'm sure!!!!

Here is a' link, it's unfortunally on danish tax=skat in danish

http://www.skat.dk/SKAT.aspx?oID=152956

"Tilbagebetaling af registreringsafgift ved udførsel af brugte motorkøretøjer"

Means: return of tax when exporting an used vhehicle
 
OK, I have done some calculations (and they may be wrong so feel free to correct me) and an A2 3L imported from Germany is definitely looking better value for money than Denmark:

German low mileage A2 3L is 10,000/11,000 Euros = £6,700 to £7,400

Whereas A2 3L from Denmark was 260,000Kr new of which 97,000Kr was tax (163Kr x 1.6). If our friend from Denmark is correct that a tax return is made when exporting a vehicle then a low mileage A2 3L is around 190,000/210,000Kr to buy, minus tax return of 97,000Kr = 93,000/113,000Kr = £8,300 to £10,100
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I'm pretty sure that you get the tax return if you export a' car, well i'm sure!!!!
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I don't know if you replied to my post, but thanks for the link. I'll research the subject again.

German low mileage A2 3L is 10,000/11,000 Euros = £6,700 to £7,400

Whereas A2 3L from Denmark was 260,000Kr new of which 97,000Kr was tax (163Kr x 1.6). If our friend from Denmark is correct that a tax return is made when exporting a vehicle then a low mileage A2 3L is around 190,000/210,000Kr to buy, minus tax return of 97,000Kr = 93,000/113,000Kr = £8,300 to £10,100
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I agree with you that a 3L from Germany is a better deal than one from Denmark. The 3L's from Germany have much more options than the those from Denmark (climate control is most of the time standard).

I also think that because life in Denmark is relatively more expansive their cars are also more expansive (even after the tax has been deducted).
 
Budget at least 1000 GBP to import the car from Germany - this includes airfare one way, one way ferry ride with the car and extra insurance to drive home on special export plates (req. by German law). Don't forget extra cost of New Headlamps (UK spec), new MPH odometer which must include DIS to function with 3L computer, labour to change over the fog light and install UK spec items, DVLA rergistration. Tax is not an issue with the newset cars now well over 6 months old and more than 6000 miles on the clock. Just pay MwSt at source. Check your UK insurance company covers you on the ferry based on chassis number. I worked very hard to get 1.2TDI approved by the Assoc of British Insurers so you don't have to pay stupid "import car" insurance rates - Now you can even get quotes online with Tescos or RAC.

All parts are available from VAG parts, Audi UK, Euro Car parts etc.

There are no RHD ones - the car is so narrow you really do not need it!

She will cruise all day at 100 mph were permitted and still give you 60 mpg! 70 to 100mph is amazing for such a low powered car - very low drag and lightness really pay off - braking is even stonger than normal A2. Torque is same as an old MR2 sports car. If only Audi had made RHD and sold to UK market.

Red Ken will remove CC from vehicles below 100g/km CO2 from next year.

All the Best!
 
You don't need to change the speedo so that will save you a few £s, my BMW has no MPH markings at all and has never had a problem passing MOTs.
 
Imperial Speedometer

Whilst it is true that an MoT does not require a working Speedometer whether kmh or MPH that does not mean it is legal. An MoT does not test the calibration of a car's speedo/tachometer. Ignorance of the law is no excuse in court.

Under PI3 "How to import a vehicle permanently into Great Britian" provided by the Dept of the Environment, Transport and the Regions UK page 10, ref: 1st paragraph:

" The Law requires that speedometers must include a miles per hour display. Please note in particular that any modified display must be visible in daylight and in darkness."

Notice the emphasis "must".

If a policeman stops you he can prosecute you for failing to make the necessary modifications to your imported vehicle for use in Great Britain.
 
I agree with Ecoangel. However, don't the European Audi's have a MPH/KMH toggle switch? I know other manufacturers sometimes have them.
 
Is it not possible to put some of those little stickers on the existing speedo as you do with motorbikes?
 
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Is it not possible to put some of those little stickers on the existing speedo as you do with motorbikes?
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I can't easily see the red kph marks (red on black background - crazy!) on my A2 dial and always thought that if I went abroad I would have to make little stickers. Sounds like you can buy them :)
 
Yeah that is correct

But the german A2's do not have MPH on the speedomitor, just KPH

Here in the UK we have both.
 
I am quaking in my boots waiting for a policeman to stop me and he (a) isn't a gibbering idiot and (b) is sad enough to know all about the regulations importing cars into this country. Cars have to pass an inspection when they are imported, all people do is stick some transparent stickers on the speedo to pass the test and then take them back off again. If a policeman stops me, I put them back on. I don't mess about changing speedos over, like I say its a waste of money.
 
If you want to stay legal and enjoy the benefits of UK style DIS: ie: MPG instead of l/100km, Miles on clock instead of km, as well as MPH then the cost is not that bad - especially if the Audi dealer takes the old km/h unit in exchange - standard recycling policy in German for all car parts.

Even if you keep the old unit (for possible resale or job relocate in EU) the 475 Euros you then pay for the entire DIS/Tacho is worth it for peace of mind, ease of use (no translating speed limits into kmh), and the possible re-inspection of your car by the DVLA. The latter does happen especially with changes in road tax based on emissions legislation.
 
For a 1.2Tdi, all you have to do for the foglights is fit a bulb to the RH side!

Regards

RAB
 
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