I've got a AUDI A2 1.6 FSI 2002 car which went wrong on Saturday. My mechanic said it's the Throttle Body part number 036133062D and that is a discontinued part which I can't seem to buy new anywhere except Amazon of all places. On Amazon there is a part with the correct part number from a company called AUTO PAL PAL has anyone tried that part please from Amazon and does anyone know about AUTO PAL PAL please? My mechanic has fixed my A2 many times before with high pressure fuel pumps, and a lot of other replacement parts. As I have said before he is really a very good mechanic and I have other complex German cars that he has been fixing for years. It been 10000 miles since the last breakdown on the A2 and I'd like to stay lucky with the parts.
AUDI A2 1.6 FSI 2002 Throttle Body part no 036133062D seems to be discontinued
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birtyA2
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Hi
It would be useful to understand the nature of the breakdown and what led to the condemnation of the throttle body. The usual advice to start with is a diagnostic scan using VCDS, posting the results to this thread. There are a number of very knowledgable and experienced FSI owners that contribute to this forum regularly that I’m sure will be able to help
best wishes
Justin
Hi Justin
Thanks yes no worries I know you guys like the details; On the Saturday morning my wife started up the car and according to her a number of warning lights came on including the engine management light and the car had lost power and it was as much as she could do to re park it . Some hours later, with the car switched off for say 3 hours, I re started the car and there were no warning lights every thing was okay. I thought don't drive it as it was the weekend and my car mechanic is only open Monday to Friday. So I did not drive it I just switched it off. Then I drove the car to the mechanic on Monday with no problems the car was absolutely fine. The actual mechanic I see who is the head mechanic at the garage only works Wednesday Thursday Friday. So a much more junior mechanic said he had cleared all the fault codes done a service on it changing oil coolant air filter and he had changed the belt on the alternator. Also he had done a 6 mile test drive with no problem. I paid them got in the car started it up no warning lights came on, drove 50 yards it totally lost power just as I was about to accelerate onto a road. Loads of warning lights came up on the dash engine management a big round red circle with a slash through it plus an abs light. I turned it round it seemed to have lost power and drove it the 50 yards back to the garage. I left it running so the junior mechanic could plug in the diagnostics. He got a code which said next to it throttle body. I left the car at the garage and today I got a call from one of the head mechanic's assistants. The assistant who is not mechanically minded gave me the part number after they were unable to source a new part 036133062D. They said the head mechanic recommended a getting new throttle body or throttle valve both have the same part number 036133062D but the assistant said I could get a second hand one if nothing else was available. No new 036133062D is available from my normal sources I've found. I use AutoDoc and some others they have various makes of the 036133062D on there but none available. The only new one I found was on Amazon.
I read through a post from 2017 titled
''the TB used in the A2 1.6 FSI is part number 036133062D which is used in the same fitment 1.6 FSI BAD engine in the contemporary VW Golf / Bora and also used in the Lupo 1.4 FSI ARR engine.
The later A3 1.6 FSI engine uses a different part number, 06A133062AT, (in your eBay link) for the TB which in itself indicates that it isn't exactly compatible in some way.
Whether the operation is the same but it is "adaptable" is another matter. If for example the cooling pipe fittings are in a different place so given different hoses it would otherwise work, you would only find out by trying.''
I search for Throttle bodies from VW Golf / Bora the Lupo 1.4 FSI ARR engine but that is not so easy because although they have the 036133062 part number they mostly have a different letter at the end and i don't know what that letter means
Regards
Phil
Thanks yes no worries I know you guys like the details; On the Saturday morning my wife started up the car and according to her a number of warning lights came on including the engine management light and the car had lost power and it was as much as she could do to re park it . Some hours later, with the car switched off for say 3 hours, I re started the car and there were no warning lights every thing was okay. I thought don't drive it as it was the weekend and my car mechanic is only open Monday to Friday. So I did not drive it I just switched it off. Then I drove the car to the mechanic on Monday with no problems the car was absolutely fine. The actual mechanic I see who is the head mechanic at the garage only works Wednesday Thursday Friday. So a much more junior mechanic said he had cleared all the fault codes done a service on it changing oil coolant air filter and he had changed the belt on the alternator. Also he had done a 6 mile test drive with no problem. I paid them got in the car started it up no warning lights came on, drove 50 yards it totally lost power just as I was about to accelerate onto a road. Loads of warning lights came up on the dash engine management a big round red circle with a slash through it plus an abs light. I turned it round it seemed to have lost power and drove it the 50 yards back to the garage. I left it running so the junior mechanic could plug in the diagnostics. He got a code which said next to it throttle body. I left the car at the garage and today I got a call from one of the head mechanic's assistants. The assistant who is not mechanically minded gave me the part number after they were unable to source a new part 036133062D. They said the head mechanic recommended a getting new throttle body or throttle valve both have the same part number 036133062D but the assistant said I could get a second hand one if nothing else was available. No new 036133062D is available from my normal sources I've found. I use AutoDoc and some others they have various makes of the 036133062D on there but none available. The only new one I found was on Amazon.
I read through a post from 2017 titled
''One for Timmus - FSI Throttle Body''
where ajsellors said this;''the TB used in the A2 1.6 FSI is part number 036133062D which is used in the same fitment 1.6 FSI BAD engine in the contemporary VW Golf / Bora and also used in the Lupo 1.4 FSI ARR engine.
The later A3 1.6 FSI engine uses a different part number, 06A133062AT, (in your eBay link) for the TB which in itself indicates that it isn't exactly compatible in some way.
Whether the operation is the same but it is "adaptable" is another matter. If for example the cooling pipe fittings are in a different place so given different hoses it would otherwise work, you would only find out by trying.''
I search for Throttle bodies from VW Golf / Bora the Lupo 1.4 FSI ARR engine but that is not so easy because although they have the 036133062 part number they mostly have a different letter at the end and i don't know what that letter means
Regards
Phil
PlasticMac
Member
You need to ask for the exact fault code, or codes they are seeing. Only then will we know what is actually wrong, and what's the best way to fix it.
It may need a replacement throttle body, but I'd be surprised if it does.
The throttle valve and associated linkage and actuator is a common failure area in the FSI, but repair/refurbishment is usually possible.
Mac
Thanks for all this guys Well this mechanic as I've said before is in his 70s he has fixed every Audi A2 problem I've ever had which like most people on here are of course High Pressure Fuel Pump, a host of other problems associated with the high pressure fuel system, the petrol tank itself at low pressure i.e. the sender, the water pump etc etc plus a strange thing with an electric window. In this instance the junior mechanic got the error code for the Throttle body. The senior mechanic (the good guy) has examined the throttle body and decided there is something wrong with its electronics that another company that restore throttle bodies cannot restore and asked me to get another.
A2Steve
A2OC Donor
Everyone has differing views on Chinese parts. I haven't had great experience with Chinese car parts.
My unit would be £50 plus £7.27 postage.
PlasticMac
Member
I'd only use a genuine Audi part, in critical areas like this. Unless you know what which company made it, Bosch maybe?
I'd not spend any money without knowing the specific code/codes myself.
Mac.
@A2Steve thanks okay I will take it if you know for sure it works and it's definitely an 036133062D. How do you want me to pay please straight into a bank is the best for me if you can give me your account name sort code account number I can get the money to you in 10 minutes. I can also do paypal if you give me your e-mail
PlasticMac
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A2Steve
A2OC Donor
Have never had issues with this on the FSI in the past when changing them, only the 1.4 AUA. Perhaps it was luck but changing for second hand didn't cause any problems.
JavaGreen
Member
Not me
If the Chinese are good enough to make parts for Mercedes/VAG/Apple they are good enough for me.
Thanks for this. Yes I wonder if they do have the VCDS software at my mechanics place (they do have diagnostics gear but whether it has the full Adi diagnostics I do wonder as I know that is a £80 charge for a full diagnostic on a car as complex as this but if they don't I'm sure they will get another firm to do it with all the gear. Anyway as soon as I'm driving it again I'll have a success story for you I'm sure. I really do think that with cars like the Audi A2 1.6 FSI you need to be on this forum and you need a mechanic who is an intellectual superman
PlasticMac
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Look at the member's free scan register, on here, (link below), there may well be, (is), a member, with vcds, close to you, who can, maybe help you. A basic scan, with the free version of VCDS Lite, will give you the fault code.
You could do it yourself. The Lite version of the software is free, and although functionality is limited, it'll tell you what you need to know. Runs on any Windows laptop, and only needs a KKL lead from ebay, at under a tenner.
We even have an A2OC VCDS file for the FSI, written by our FSI'ers.
Super Man? No, just logical, evidence based troubleshooting.
Mac.
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Good news my A2 is fixed. I am not really sure what diagnostics system the mechanic has. Because the head of the garage has got a bit old and he only works part time now I never seem to get to talk to him. Therefore I do not have the details of what was done to the car except that the throttle body was changed.
Is it possible a new throttle body or at least an adapted second hand one would make the car faster. The card seems to have better acceleration from zero to 30 or 40 miles an hour and is a lot more responsive with the accelerator peddle. I haven't tested the cars top speed yet because I have only been in town and not on a motorway yet.
Is it possible a new throttle body or at least an adapted second hand one would make the car faster. The card seems to have better acceleration from zero to 30 or 40 miles an hour and is a lot more responsive with the accelerator peddle. I haven't tested the cars top speed yet because I have only been in town and not on a motorway yet.
The car actually broke down again about 4 days after the Throttle body and a new Thermostat housing was fitted. The mechanic I use has apparently said it is not the throttle body and that after investigation when the car is hot and your doing high speed like 70 mph or I guess high RPM...... cylinders 1 and 2 are suddenly effected an oil light comes on and then battery light comes on it starts making a noise and the engine totally cuts out and wont re start
When it happened to me I was driving quiet fast about 70 mph on a dual carriageway and an oil light came on and the car cut out and would not re start.. I had to get it towed back to the mechanic. I don't talk to the mechanic I talk to the reception at the garage. They are saying they have purchased a £62 new control valve for the EVAP System and they will fit a new one. They also talked about replacing the injectors but they want to replace this control valve for the EVAP System first as they say it's worth doing as its not expensive to fit. Can replacing the control valve for the EVAP System on a Audi A2 1.6 FSI really fix a problem as serious as this. I can see how it might be the injectors but I don't know how this EVAP System works?
I don't have any of the error codes that this car is generating at the moment but the mechanic does definitely have the VCDS system but I'm not sure which one. I can probably get the codes and add them to this string.
When it happened to me I was driving quiet fast about 70 mph on a dual carriageway and an oil light came on and the car cut out and would not re start.. I had to get it towed back to the mechanic. I don't talk to the mechanic I talk to the reception at the garage. They are saying they have purchased a £62 new control valve for the EVAP System and they will fit a new one. They also talked about replacing the injectors but they want to replace this control valve for the EVAP System first as they say it's worth doing as its not expensive to fit. Can replacing the control valve for the EVAP System on a Audi A2 1.6 FSI really fix a problem as serious as this. I can see how it might be the injectors but I don't know how this EVAP System works?
I don't have any of the error codes that this car is generating at the moment but the mechanic does definitely have the VCDS system but I'm not sure which one. I can probably get the codes and add them to this string.
The post above sounds like we are on the threshold of a "parts darts" special thread (stick a copy of various semi-pertinent 7zap page parts diagrams up on the wall and let the mechanic choose which bits to fit next using an Argos "my first darts" set and a blindfold).
There are many people on here with a lot of experience of the 1.6FSi and its foibles - even more so than many time-served mechanics simply because of 100% immersion as a byproduct of ownership. The FSi is one car where it is advisable to take heed of the collective expertise, get hold of proper VCDS diagnostics printouts and share the information to enable advice to help you move forwards without ruinous expenditure.
Best of luck!
There are many people on here with a lot of experience of the 1.6FSi and its foibles - even more so than many time-served mechanics simply because of 100% immersion as a byproduct of ownership. The FSi is one car where it is advisable to take heed of the collective expertise, get hold of proper VCDS diagnostics printouts and share the information to enable advice to help you move forwards without ruinous expenditure.
Best of luck!
Well the head mechanic has 40 years of experience and he has fixed this car before and it's 10000 miles since the last bout of breakdowns. I know The mechanic has the VCDS System and I do have some print outs from previous times he fixed the car but not the latest ones. But I know what your saying if there is someone on here who has had the same problem that would be interesting. A £62 part that does not require the whole engine being taken apart sounds like it's worth a try and it is a new part.
Good Evening,
You seem to have blind faith in your garage, a position I question. I find £80 for a scan immoral, I realise with the car out of commission you cannot travel but if you came to me I would not charge, after all it would take me all of 5 minutes. Regardless, scan results are essential to receive meaningful advice here.
For what it is worth I would say let them fit a new EVAP valve, by this age the valve will be manky, view it as long term maintenance and it is true several members have reported it has cured their FSI, but these have been niggles such as mid-range acceleration dead spots, slow to pick up, etc., not drastic failures like yours but you never know. The valve, grand term for what it is, is also known as an oil separator, it vents the crankcase and routes the vapour back through the engine for combustion via the EGR. Not a big job to replace, MTL on here has a replacement video but it will not be a FSI but probably worth watching.
Andy
You seem to have blind faith in your garage, a position I question. I find £80 for a scan immoral, I realise with the car out of commission you cannot travel but if you came to me I would not charge, after all it would take me all of 5 minutes. Regardless, scan results are essential to receive meaningful advice here.
For what it is worth I would say let them fit a new EVAP valve, by this age the valve will be manky, view it as long term maintenance and it is true several members have reported it has cured their FSI, but these have been niggles such as mid-range acceleration dead spots, slow to pick up, etc., not drastic failures like yours but you never know. The valve, grand term for what it is, is also known as an oil separator, it vents the crankcase and routes the vapour back through the engine for combustion via the EGR. Not a big job to replace, MTL on here has a replacement video but it will not be a FSI but probably worth watching.
Andy