DIY MYP Gearbox conversion while changing Dual Mass Flywheel £850 all in!

PaulA2

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HI All, after the recent threads about the MYP box and securing a 90 with a shot DMF i elected to scour for an MYP box as my mileage is cruising on the motorway.

As I bought the car with the DMF already shot I had no idea how long it had been bad (trade based dealer sale) so I was nervous to drive any great distances in case of catastrophic failure so as I am reasonable handy with the spanner I decided to give it a bash!

All in about 12 hours work as never had a box out and a few trips along the way but its all now in and tested. Not done a huge journey yet as a few other bits I would like to sort as the car is new to me. Thankfully the vibration has now gone and suspect it was the DMF due to excessive play but could possibly have been the box.

I am impressed how well it fits, don't even think I will need to adjust the gear cables.

All bolts fit around the bell housing to the block, all engine mounts fit, the only slight areas are the cable mounting bolts which I made some brackets as Vince at stealth did and only 2 of the three bolts secure the dog bone mount. I am happy with this but if you really wanted a bracket could be made but I will see how it goes.

Cost all in was £850 which for an LUK clutch, DMF, release bearing and an MYP box I am very pleased.

Box was off good old ebay but the DMF LUK Clutch kit and bearing was from a company called www.partservice.co.uk who did the clutch parts and DMF for £405 delivered on a Saturday!

If anyone considers doing this conversion and would need any pointers I am happy to guide where I can, like a prat no pictures taken but the grey matter till works well enough.

Cant wait to test on a long run, just need to remember to use sixth gear now!
 
Hi Spike

Yes of course, clearly could not have done it without the pointers in that thread already and I have been hunting for months for an MYP box at the right price.

Credit to the a2 owner that discovered this.

Will update tomorrow all being well.
 
Hi Spike

Yes of course, clearly could not have done it without the pointers in that thread already and I have been hunting for months for an MYP box at the right price.

Credit to the a2 owner that discovered this.

Will update tomorrow all being well.

Credit to you as well. It's still a massive step to go from reading about a professional workshop doing the conversion to tackling the job yourself.

Cheers Spike
 
Paul, well done!!

Did you have a rig to lift the engine out or was it all done from underneath? If the latter must of been challenge to do that without a pit/hoist.
 
Paul, well done!!

Did you have a rig to lift the engine out or was it all done from underneath? If the latter must of been challenge to do that without a pit/hoist.
You would only ever take the engine/ box out from underneath. And as long as you can get it high enough SAFELY !!!!!!! It is a DIY job to swap a gearbox if you have basic car mechanical knowledge. But find a "how to" guide first.

Steve B
 
Following on from my recent DIY conversion I would like to add the following detail to perhaps assist others on the forum who are considering doing this. My intention was to take the car to Stealth but as I did not know how bad the dual mass flywheel was on my car (bought with a faulty DMF with no direction how long it had been bad) I did not want to risk driving it too far.

I would first and foremost like to thank the mystery A2 owner that has made the discovery that the box is an option for the 6 speed conversion and to Vince at Stealth for allowing previous upgrades to be documented like they have. Without either I would not have progressed.

Secondly – this is only information from the grey matter of a DIY mechanic / enthusiast, it is by no means authority and any works completed are done so at the risk of the individual trying it. I am of course here to help where I can but while it is a doable project it all depends on your own skill sets and car.

Why did I do it? I sourced a 90 on a trade sale basis that I believe is a great car in the making but it had a suspect DMF and was in a sorry state. It has clearly been maintained as brand new alternator and drop links etc but it is well used and as sold on trade terms it was seen in its raw form which I prefer anyway as nothing covered up. I need a comfortable “cheap” car for a regular commute and the A2 fits the bill nicely and I love them. I have been after a 90 for a long time and this one finally appeared within my unrealistic budget.

Anyway this is how I recall doing the conversion (no pictures sorry as I was literally covered in dirt and grime from head to toe!) on my drive at home.

Firstly I loosed the drive shaft hub nuts 36mm multispline socket then drove the car up onto the ramps. Wheel nuts loosened, bonnet removed and battery disconnected.

Remove engine cover
Remove starter motor – cut off large zip tie and slide off plastic cover. Remove 13mm nut that secures the cables. Carefully disconnect the connector off starter and gearbox.
Remove bracing bar from engine mount to starter motor bolt – both 13mm
Under car remove engine tray – various torx screws (t25 IIRC) and I had 2 bolts that secure it to the chassis legs under the wheel arch (10mm IIRC)
Remove earth cable from starter motor bolt (13mm)
Remove the 2 main starter securing bolts (18mm deep socket) and carefully withdraw starter through the top of the car
I then removed the passenger side driveshaft. Remove 36mm nut (sometimes 17mm allen key nut / cover) these need to be renewed on replacement due to barbs on inner edge to prevent it undoing if loose. Jack up car and secure on stands to remove wheel. Quite trickey as car is high now but I used bricks to raise stands to ensure they were as stable as possible. I used a large hub puller to extract the outer cv joint from the hub. Previous experience from doing this has lead me to use a suitable old socket over the threaded part first to prevent it from damaging the end with the puller. It was as very tight so be careful! Once it started to move I then removed the inner joint multi spline bolts (6 of them). You may need to rotate the shaft to access all of them. To completely withdraw the shaft I removed the ball joint to allow the strut to be moved aside. All was put together to allow wheel to be re-installed minus drive shaft to rest the car on the ramps again.
Next remove the 6 multispline bolts on the driver side shaft. To do this I removed the shaft cover (2 x 16mm bolts). The shaft was left in situ but carefully secured with rope to prevent damage.
In the top of the car I then moved the gear change cables after labelling to ensure put back in right place. I carefully levered them off the ball joints and removed from cable guide. This is done by twisting the end of the plastic housing that sits in the metal guide using the 2 raised tabs. (Clockwise I think!) The cables then lift out of guide; one cable also needs to be removed from a securing loop at the rear of the same metal holder. From under the car remove a 10mm nut securing the bracket (that holds the heavy battery cables that run under the car) to the cable guide bracket.
I removed the cable guide (3 x 13mm bolts) as I was unable to access one of the 18mm bolts securing box to engine.
Next I removed the slave clutch cylinder (2x 13mm bolts) and carefully withdrew from the box.
I then carefully loosened (Only slightly while all engine mounts in place) the box to engine bolts, 2 x 18mm at top of engine under water pipes, 1 x 18mm near flange for driver side shaft, 1x 16mm under car that needs a 13mm nut removing to secure the radiator hose bracket. Next I removed the dog bone mounting plate (3 x 16mm bolts) and dog bone (17mm nut and bolt with a 16 mm bolt securing to subframe) to expose the final 1 x 16 mm bolt securing box to engine to loosen.
At this stage I also drained the gearbox oil using the 17mm allen key type socket. I did this as I needed to remove the driver side drive shaft flange and was not sure if any oil would indeed come out but did not want to foul the drive! Explanation later.
I then used jacks to take weight of box and engine to remove 2 x 16mm bolts on gearbox mount and carefully lower onto stands taking care not to foul exhaust onto the sub frame and ensuring all items disconnected. To prevent the gearbox end mount fouling on the AC pipes I removed the 3 multispline bolts securing the component to the box. I ensured the box and engine were fully supported by the axle stands in preparation for removing the gearbox securing bolts. I used a jock to take the weight of the gearbox and slowly removed all the bolts. I again used a piece of timber between box and jack to spread the load and protect the old box.
Once all bolts were removed it was time to split the box and engine, this seemed to be harder than what it should be and I ended up having to remove the earlier mentioned driver side drive shaft flange from the gearbox as it was fouling on my flywheel. This is held in place by a 6mm allen key bolt. This could then be carefully withdrawn taking care not to foul the seals on the box. This is why I drained the oil. I would suggest that this is perhaps best done while engine and box are on all mounts as was getting crowded with jacks, stands etc under the car. It may not always be necessary and with 2 sets of hands working on the car it could perhaps be possible to manhandle the box out.
The box was then free of the car exposing clutch and DMF. I had to remove clutch first as I could not get to the multispline bolts securing DMF to crank due to excessive wear in clutch and DMF. This was simply a case of removing a load of small multispline screws around the edge of the pressure plate. Once clutch completely removed I needed to remove the 6 multispline bolts securing the DMF to the crank. This was trick as the flywheel wanted to rotate so I prevent this by using a small clutch screw through the end of a ring spanner in order to allow me to then hold in situ while removing the DMF bolts. The DMF is heavy so be careful when removing.
Once all out I could set about making the brackets required to hold the gear selector cables in place as highlighted by Russellbridge in his thread. There is a securing point already in the box for the front (radiator end) of the cable tray and this was used to secure in place ensuring it was in perfect line with the rear bolt used to secure the z shape bracket. Finally the right angled bracket was installed. It holds the cable guide bracket securely and as the bracket is mounted through rubber bushes a little flex is to be expected.
As the box was from a low mileage car I did not need to change the bushes on the release arm but did elect to change the release bearing for an LUK item (part number 644440050) and cleaned the input shaft. The release bearing is held on by a couple of clips that secure to release arm. To remove release arm if needed, at pivot end prise out one of the spring clips. To refit simply re-insert the spring clip and it then pushes back onto the pivot point.
The LUK DMF and clutch kit (Part number 417 0047 10) was sourced from www.partservice.co.uk along with the bearing for £405 delivered on a Saturday.
This come ready assembled so all you need to do is install the complete assembly. For completeness I checked the clutch bolts and they were fine.
The bolts for the DMF to crank only fit in a single position due to the spacing of the bolts, these need to be tightened to a specified torque cant remember but I seem to recall its 60NM plus 90 degrees but PLEASE check!
I then removed the gear change mech off the old box to install on the new one. Be advised the splines on the shaft have a larger spline which is used to locate it in the correct place, the 13mm nut that holds then on is a special one that is designed so it will not come loose so ensure it is the right one that is used to put back on. The sleeves on the other part of the swivel arm of the mech were checked and cleaned. I also left the gear cable carrier off (but attached to the brackets I made).
The drive shaft flanges were also changed by removing the 6mm allen key bolts and swapping from my old box. They are spring loaded so need to be pushed in firmly to allow the bolt to be re-installed.
Then the fun starts to re-install the box. Care needs to be taken to prevent the spline input shaft fowling on the clutch. It also needs to inserted at the correct angle in line with the centre of the clutch. This is not the easiest to do on your own but care needs to be taken and it should not be force, I very loosely installed the lower gearbox bolts to use as guides when man handling the box onto the engine.
Upon mating it correctly to the engine all components were installed in the reverse order.

I was lucky that when I reinstated the gear change cables onto the selector mechanism no adjustments needed to be made, this may change over time and in different situations.

That is as much as I can recall from the grey matter a few days after completing the conversion. If anyone wants any help please shout and I will do what I can.
 
WOW!!!!
that is such a detailed and helpful post. Thank you for taking he time to post it.

Really impressive.

Steve B
 
Just a question regarding the refitting of the drive shaft splines to the inner and outer hubs. Did you use any Locktite on these splines?
Was there any Locktite or similar on these splines when you removed the driveshafts and possibly the cause of them needing a puller to remove? I only ask as I may need to replace either a CV joint or fit a new driveshaft and will need to get a suitable puller.

Great write up so thanks for you taking the time to do it.
 
Yes there was locktite and tons of it! The shafts had been out as the 36mm nuts had the barbs missing.

I used a puller but put an old socket over the thread as previous cars the puller cause the cv spline end to shatter as it was that tight! An old 17mm deep socket reduces a point pressure and sits nicely on the edge of the splined piece.

Personally I did not use locktite/ fret paste as would prefer to have shafts easier to remove. I have the tool to remove wheel bearings and it's easy enough to replace cv joints that having to potentially replace hub assemblies. On my other a2 done 12000 miles and no play yet.
 
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