Fault codes 16804, 17560, 17912

As bdub says, turbo cars usually have a MAF sensor to measure the air entering the turbo and a MAP sensor to check the turbo boost going into the engine.

It appears the 1.4 petrol engines only have MAP sensors while the 1.6 fsi has MAF and MAP sensors - maybe to control the variable intake manifold flap system on the fsi engine.

Cheers Spike
 
This might sound like an odd question, but if i remove the crank case breather from the rubber gromet in the oil filler cap, should I be able to blow into it and get some airflow into the air inlet pipe after the MAF?

After reading another thread re blocked breather pipe I pulled mine off and found I can not move any air through it. I assume it might have some form of pressure valve and I am not supplying enough pressure as I think the crankcase is pressureised???

If this all sounds wrong excure my ignorance, but at this point I am happy to consider anything :eek:

I only raise this as I noticed before some oil around the crank case at the bottem of the filler cap and assume it could have been caused by a build up of pressure due to the breether (filter?) being blocked???

Any advise would be appreciated.

Thanks

Paul
 
VAG Sensor Group Locations

Does anyoe have a definitive list of which VAG-COM Group/Locations to look at to identify each sensor in the engine?

Looking into various tests that can be performed I am slowly making my own list, but its taking ages and a ton of internet research...

I appreciate VAG-COM identifies some items, but many are just miscellaneous labels - I've lost count of the number of different 'Temperatures' labels with no reference to what temperature....

Looking for things like ERG sensor position etc...

Any sugestions? Otherise I will end up publishing my own along with my own set of diagnostic tests ... sometime in 2010...


Thanks
Paul
 
Still an ongoing sage with the '17560 - engine running lean' fault code.

VAG-COM results are not conclusive, everything seems to be running correctly. Have checked everywhere for a leak, nothing...

Took the car to Audi for an 'expert opinion', they spent an hour running the same tests as I did and response was 'inconclusive, could be a number of things ... will have to spend a number of hours pulling the car appart and replace a number of items to be sure'

So I have the car back, complete with warning light back on again.....

Have been unable to find a comprehensive VAG-COM label file for a BAD engine so writing my own.

The sage continues.....
 
my interface is genuine and I did ask ross tech for a BAD label file, I sent him the channel map as requested but not got the file yet.

They must be very busy, can't complain cos vagcom has changed my life!
let me know if you do get one tho.

cheers
 
Crash you car

Still an ongoing sage with the '17560 - engine running lean' fault code.

VAG-COM results are not conclusive, everything seems to be running correctly. Have checked everywhere for a leak, nothing...

Took the car to Audi for an 'expert opinion', they spent an hour running the same tests as I did and response was 'inconclusive, could be a number of things ... will have to spend a number of hours pulling the car appart and replace a number of items to be sure'

So I have the car back, complete with warning light back on again.....

Have been unable to find a comprehensive VAG-COM label file for a BAD engine so writing my own.

The sage continues.....


If you dont want that fault, crash your car! I have had the fault for ages, crashed my car, and now the fault is gone! maybe it shook lose :)

Cheers,
-P-
 
!! FINALLY FIXED !! - well mostly

:D Finally fixed at least one of the faults on my A2 :D

After much effort, at least one visit to the local Audi dealer (they couldn’t find the fault after an hour of fiddling) and a few expensive new parts I have finally fixed one of the fault codes I have been getting;
17912 - P1504 Intake Air System: Leak Detected

Well would you believe it,... it actually turned out to be an air leak!

Feel really embarrassed :eek:

I checked the car over so many times, checked all the hoses (all in really good nick), for other reasons I replaced the MAF, the lambda probe, 2 coil packs (getting misfires), air filter, spark plugs and removed the inlet hoses up to the throttle valve many times with no success fixing the rough idle, error code or poor performance.

My mistake (and possibly the Audi engineer's too) was to take too much notice of schematics. Elsawin is a great source of info on what hoses connect to the inlet manifold - except the one that had split on my BAD engine. Its just not identified on the drawings of the inlet manifold!!!!!

There is a hose connected to the lower manifold at the back low down where you can’t see it. In fact I could only see it by getting right under the engine (the drivers side and looking up at it). I can’t remember what it does but it’s connected to a valve that uses the vacuum to do something. Anyway in my case the hose had split at the top and the split was not visible until the hose was actually removed from the manifold so even if you were looking up at you wouldn't know it was split without feeling all round it.

When I went to Audi to get a replacement hose (its not available separately - all part of the valve assembly £67 inc vat) it didn’t appear on their ETKA system either. We had to search under the breaking system to finally identify it...

Managed to cut off the split end and reconnect without replacing it so job done...

Morale of the story;
Don’t believe the diagrams!!!, spend time really looking and in my case blow down the inlet manifold and listen for the hiss.......

Still not fully fixed all the issues - my lambda readings are still out, but a nice way to close this chapter :)
 
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If I could revive this topic a bit.
Ignition timing was mentioned here, just
checked mine on an fsi and on idle it's been between 0 - 12 and hesitating between atdc and btdc.
I suppose atdc is a bit weird but what could be a culprit? It also fluctuated very quickly say twice every second.

When revved to ~10-12k it was quite stable at about 22 btc

Engine load around 3%

Engine has got misfire issues ( random and cyl 3 )

Is that weird idle timing any clue to
a possible solution to my engine problem?
 
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