Rear swing arm bushes Rear Axle bracket oem: 8Z0501541 compatible with 1J0501541C?

[titusm]

Rear swing arm bushes Rear Axle bracket oem: 8Z0501541 compatible with 1J0501541C?

I want to change the rear arm bushes AND... the part is no longer available.

When searching I stumbled upon another OEM part number 1J0501541C. It seems that on older febi bilstein bushes this was the code.

Does anyone now if it is compatible?

This part might be compatible too 6Q0501541E.

The 1J seems the same size except for the screw hole (11 vs 12)


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answer:

I successfully installed the MEYLE 1147100001/S. (I used the nuts from the kit, in my case the original bolts were fine but the nuts were rusted).
The main difference is the main hole. The original bushing have one solid metal - the new ones have a star like design - I guess for the bolts not to rust in place. Maybe the rubber is a bit stiffer but this only helps.

In my case the car had the original bushings...so 20 years old. It was a real pain to take out.

The oem code for the bolts is: N 90710501 (in case you need new ones - only oem available and affordable)

Thanks to @RAB and @carlston for help with codes.

Here is a picture with the new bushing after instalation.

 

[Guest 4123]

It seems to be that the ID of 8Z0501541 is 12mm while that of 1J0501541C is 11mm.

RAB

 

[titusm]

It seems to be that the ID of 8Z0501541 is 12mm while that of 1J0501541C is 11mm.

RAB

Found this thread: they discuss in depth details about the bushings. Unfortunately google translate is little hard to understand

Fahrwerkstechnik - Infos und Optimierung (Ibiza 6L1+6J, Cordoba 6L2, Polo 9N+6R, Fox, Fabia 6Y+5J, Audi A2+A1) - SEAT Ibiza Forum

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www.ibiza-forum.de

and other discusions here:

Unterschied SuperPro und Powerflexlager

a2-freun.de

 

[titusm]

I believe any of the next codes should be adaptable.

Audi tradition seems to still have the bushings BUT 46 euros without shipping.
6Q0501541E seems much stronger

Any idea which one would be...better to start with?

 

[carlston]

1J0501541C seems the same size except for the bolt hole (11mm vs 12mm)

It can't be 11mm because the bolt that goes through this hole is M12 as shown in the chart below.

VW Polo MK4

7

N 10409903

hexagon bolt

M12X1,5X125X49

2

9

1J0 501 541 C

bonded rubber bush

2

rear axle beam with attachment parts Polo/Derby/Vento-IND (PO) 2003 year Volkswagen EUROPA 500020

rear axle beam with attachment parts Polo/Derby/Vento-IND (PO) 2003 year Volkswagen EUROPA 500020 spare parts

volkswagen.7zap.com

I suggest you try 1J0501541C

https://www.autodoc.co.uk/car-parts/oem/1j0501541c?search=OEN+1J0501541C&supplier%5B0%5D=1307&supplier%5B1%5D=50&supplier%5B2%5D=1307&supplier%5B3%5D=50

 

[titusm]

It can't be 11mm because the bolt that goes through this hole is M12 as shown in the chart below.

rear axle beam with attachment parts Polo/Derby/Vento-IND (PO) 2003 year Volkswagen EUROPA 500020

rear axle beam with attachment parts Polo/Derby/Vento-IND (PO) 2003 year Volkswagen EUROPA 500020 spare parts

volkswagen.7zap.com

I suggest you try 1J0501541C

https://www.autodoc.co.uk/car-parts/oem/1j0501541c?search=OEN+1J0501541C&supplier%5B0%5D=1307&supplier%5B1%5D=50&supplier%5B2%5D=1307&supplier%5B3%5D=50

It is so weird...the same part number specify different internal diameters depending on the manufacturer...or ...is there anything different in part number?

11 mm does not bother me...A 12 mm bore is cheap) Not sure if the metal used in the bussing ishard or not.
Thanks for your help.

Found this:

Audi Workshop Service and Repair Manuals > A2 > Running gear, front-wheel drive | Rear suspension, drive shaft | Servicing rear axle | Rear axle beam (drum brakes; basic running gear and 1.2 TDI running gear): exploded view

A2 > Audi Workshop Service and Repair Manuals > Running gear, front-wheel drive | Rear suspension, drive shaft | Servicing rear axle | Rear axle beam (drum brakes; basic running gear and 1.2 TDI running gear): exploded view

workshop-manuals.com

Apparently there are at least 2 types of bushings and one of them is "Hydraulic bonded rubber bush" and funny enough i've seen this one available trough the codes listed above.

I will order the parts today. unfortunately not all manufacturers post the inner bore size.

 

[titusm]

Bushings that have 12mm axle:

MEYLE 114 710 0001

MEYLE 1147100001/S --with screws - not sure it is the right length thou.​

DELPHI TD655W
MOOG VO-SB-0042

I will order the meyle ...I personally do not like this brand but it's decent.

The next issue is the bolt - I am pretty sure this is the main issue. The a2 seems much longer than what comes in the replacement kit.

@carlston any idea about the bolt? I cannot find the length for it anywhere (elsaWin specifies only...that is a bolt)).

Later edit:
Aparently the bolt from the meyle kit seems to be the right size - I will confirm after the parts arrive.

 

[Guest 4123]

@carlston any idea about the bolt? I cannot find the length for it anywhere (elsaWin specifies only...that is a bolt)).

Later edit:
Aparently the bolt from the meyle kit seems to be the right size - I will confirm after the parts arrive.

The bolt is here (part no. 11):

rear axle beam with attachment parts; see worksho... Audi A2 (A2) 2001 year Audi EUROPA 500020

rear axle beam with attachment parts<br/>see workshop manual Audi A2 (A2) 2001 year Audi EUROPA 500020 spare parts

audi.7zap.com

RAB

 

[titusm]

The bolt is here (part no. 11):

rear axle beam with attachment parts; see worksho... Audi A2 (A2) 2001 year Audi EUROPA 500020

rear axle beam with attachment parts<br/>see workshop manual Audi A2 (A2) 2001 year Audi EUROPA 500020 spare parts

audi.7zap.com

RAB

oem no: N90710501
The bolt costs around 6 euros/piece.
I ordered 4....not sure it will be available next year.

 

[carlston]

oem no: N90710501
The bolt costs around 6 euros/piece.
I ordered 4....not sure it will be available next year.

N90710501 is a common bolt, so there's no need to order more than you need. It's not exclusive to the Audi A2.

You can see some of the other vehicles that this bolt is used on in the chart below, including the VW Crafter and VW LT. It's used for jobs such as holding the rear leaf springs on these commercial vehicles. It is identical because it has the same OEM part number.

hexagon bolt - N90710501​

​

Audi A2​

A2

RDW

2000

2005

​

Volkswagen Crafter​

CR	MEX	2006	2011
CR	MEX	2012	2016
CR	RDW	2006	2011
CR	RDW	2012	2016
CR	ZA	2006	2011
CR	ZA	2012	2016

​

Volkswagen LT, LT 4x4​

LT	RDW	1997	2003
LT	RDW	2004	2007
LT	ZA	2003	2003
LT	ZA	2004	2007

hexagon bolt - n90710501 VOLKSWAGEN

hexagon bolt - n90710501 VOLKSWAGEN

volkswagen.7zap.com

As you can see in the charts below, the Audi A2 bolt with OEM part number N90710501 is also used on the VW Crafter and VW LT and has a specification of M12x1.5x175x90.

Audi A2

11

N 90710501

hexagon bolt

M12X1,5X175X90

2

VW Crafter

(8)

N 90710501

hexagon bolt

M12X1,5X175X90

2

PR-K4F,K4G

VW Crafter Rear Leaf Springs (bolt number 8 in the diagram is the same as the Audi A2 bolt with OEM part number N90710501)

leaf spring; anti-roll bar Crafter (CR) 2012 year Volkswagen EUROPA 511000

leaf spring<br/>anti-roll bar Crafter (CR) 2012 year Volkswagen EUROPA 511000 spare parts

volkswagen.7zap.com

 

[carlston]

Bushings that have 12mm axle:

MEYLE 114 710 0001

MEYLE 1147100001/S --with screws - not sure it is the right length thou.​

DELPHI TD655W
MOOG VO-SB-0042

I will order the meyle ...I personally do not like this brand but it's decent.

The next issue is the bolt - I am pretty sure this is the main issue. The a2 seems much longer than what comes in the replacement kit.

@carlston any idea about the bolt? I cannot find the length for it anywhere (elsaWin specifies only...that is a bolt)).

Later edit:
Aparently the bolt from the meyle kit seems to be the right size - I will confirm after the parts arrive.

As you can see in the chart below, the VW Polo MK4 bolt with OEM part number N10409903 has a length of 125mm. This is 50mm shorter than the Audi A2 bolt which has a length of 175mm.

VW Polo MK4 Bolt

7

N 10409903

hexagon bolt

M12X1,5X125X49

2

rear axle beam with attachment parts Polo/Derby/Vento-IND (PO) 2003 year Volkswagen EUROPA 500020

rear axle beam with attachment parts Polo/Derby/Vento-IND (PO) 2003 year Volkswagen EUROPA 500020 spare parts

volkswagen.7zap.com

Audi A2 Bolt

11

N 90710501

hexagon bolt

M12X1,5X175X90

2

rear axle beam with attachment parts; see worksho... Audi A2 (A2) 2001 year Audi EUROPA 500020

rear axle beam with attachment parts<br/>see workshop manual Audi A2 (A2) 2001 year Audi EUROPA 500020 spare parts

audi.7zap.com

 

[titusm]

Replaced all the bushings.

The rear ones were a pain...to take out...around 40 50 minutes.
The MEYLE 1147100001/S fit perfectly.
The only difference is the middle part - it is not one solid round piece - I guess the new ones are modified so that the bolt will not rust into place.

I used the nuts from the mentioned kit. The original bolts on the car were in good condition but the nuts were rusted so I replaced them with the new ones from the kit. The bolts from kit do not fit - you have to buy bolts separately (but the price for the kit is the same as buying separately without bolt and nuts).

The car it much better in corners now. A bit stiffer but cannot expect much from so small tires. The suspensions were changed last year (I used the Bilstein alternative to the alu oem )

 

[titusm]

As you can see in the chart below, the VW Polo MK4 bolt with OEM part number N10409903 has a length of 125mm. This is 50mm shorter than the Audi A2 bolt which has a length of 175mm.

VW Polo MK4 Bolt

7

N 10409903

hexagon bolt

M12X1,5X125X49

2

rear axle beam with attachment parts Polo/Derby/Vento-IND (PO) 2003 year Volkswagen EUROPA 500020

rear axle beam with attachment parts Polo/Derby/Vento-IND (PO) 2003 year Volkswagen EUROPA 500020 spare parts

volkswagen.7zap.com

Audi A2 Bolt

11

N 90710501

hexagon bolt

M12X1,5X175X90

2

rear axle beam with attachment parts; see worksho... Audi A2 (A2) 2001 year Audi EUROPA 500020

rear axle beam with attachment parts<br/>see workshop manual Audi A2 (A2) 2001 year Audi EUROPA 500020 spare parts

audi.7zap.com

Thanks for the codes. I ordered only the bolts separately. The new bushings work great.

 

[Tipptop]

8Z0501541 are back in stock at Audi tradition for anyone looking for these rear axle bushes. Pricey at €49 each but there is absolutely no other aftermarket alternative available except for going with the Polo PN 1J0501541C like titusm did.

I had bought Lemforder 27627 01 (1J0501541C) and was going to fit those but now I just nabbed 8Z0501541 from Audi Tradition. I will compare the OE bush to the Lemforder and see if there is any noticeable difference other than the solid center on the OE bush.