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Toying with the idea of SatNav....found this in the archive.

First, Stu, did you ever purchase?

Second, any updates on the info. in this thread?

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Look at my sig pictures! I use the same: iPAQ 3970 with Compaq Navigation sleeve... brilliant, brilliant...

http://www.compaq.co.uk/navigation/index.html

or alternative one: http://www.travroute.com/ (which is the software I got...)

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http://www.navman-mobile.com/html/3400.htm (who makes the sleeve for iPAQ)

The best thing about this (for me) is the position on the dash board. High enough te be visible without having to really move your eyes fromt he road... if Nissan's Primera and the Toyota Yaris can have ALL their dials centrally mounted, I can have my sat nav screen there!

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iPAQ 3970 with Sat-Nav sleeve, rear cupholders, luggage net and floppy wiper!

http://www.audi-a2.co.uk/uk23.htm
 
:D Just realised the post above made me an Advanced Driver!!! Yippeeeee!

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2001 A2 TDI SE Crystal Blue with Open Sky, 6CD Symphony II, BOSE upgrade, DIS and HALF a winterpack!

iPAQ 3970 with Sat-Nav sleeve, rear cupholders, luggage net and floppy wiper!

http://www.audi-a2.co.uk/uk23.htm
 
... and I'll gladly give demos at the social!!!

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2001 A2 TDI SE Crystal Blue with Open Sky, 6CD Symphony II, BOSE upgrade, DIS and HALF a winterpack!

iPAQ 3970 with Sat-Nav sleeve, rear cupholders, luggage net and floppy wiper!

http://www.audi-a2.co.uk/uk23.htm
 
No, I haven't bought anything yet....this small problem relating to a lack of money got in the way!

However, I have recently discovered this: http://navcity.co.uk/catalog/product_info.php+manufacturers_id+3+products_id+330

Looks fantastic, and is small and portable. I have yet to read a review on it though.

The only problem is that I think you'd need a re-radiating aerial due to the heat reflecting athermic windscreen glass.

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How many of you actually look at the screen? Aren't the voice prompts enough so that you don't get distracted form the road?

My requirements are:

[*]Portable (I have 2 cars and I want to be able to swap it between the two in a matter of seconds)
[*]Be able to alter directions if I take a shortcut.

Anything else I ought to be concerned with?

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I don't think you would need to look at the screen but if travelling with a passenger, it may be beneficial to have a screen for extra guidance.

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The way I see it, you have the following options:

Navman: ICN 630 (£999.00 incl vat)
http://navcity.co.uk/catalog/product_info.php+manufacturers_id+3+products_id+330

Garmin Streetpilot III Deluxe (£850 incl vat)
http://www.offroadstore.co.uk/

Garmin Ique 3600: PDA + Sat Nav (£401.92 incl vat)
http://www.garmin.com/products/iQue3600/
http://www.expansys.com/product.asp?code=IQUE3600

OR

Another type of PDA such as the IPAQ, but this could get expensive with all the accessories required - Johann, how much?

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That Navman one does look pleasing on the eye. I will scour for a review.

Thanks Johann, I think I'll take a look at your system at the social as this isn't cheap whatever system I decide upon.

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I am now very intrigued about that Navman so have fired off an email to the shop asking the following:

1) What is your delivery/availability on this product?

2) How do you update it with the latest road information - is there a CD or software that needs to be purchased and then downloaded from a PC onto it?

3) My car is an Audi A2 and has a heat athermic reflecting windscreen which I suspect blocks GPS signals. What would you recommend to get around this problem that will work with the NAVMAN GPS icn630, and how much is it?

4) Does the standard pack include the car mounting bracket and carry case? If not, please can you tell me prices for both of these?

5) How is the unit mounted on the car - on the dash or windscreen? (I only ask this as the windscreen on the Audi A2 is really far away from the driver!)


I'll let you know the answers as soon as I get them!

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Hmm. Stuart, please excuse my question but is every A2 equipped with that "heat athermic reflecting windscreen" ???

I´ve got the automatic ac AND the Becker TrafficPro navigation...
The GPS antenna hides under the dashboard and has excellent connection to the GPS-Sats.

I used this system in my passat before and it worked perfectly there too.

If you haven´t got anything different from my windscreen - it works !

Nik

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Nice one Stu, looks like you pretty much covered it. Another new toy on the way perhaps... :D


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I've found some links of interest:

[*]iCN630 Brochure (English)
[*]iCN630 Brochure (German)

[*]Shopping link which has the following User Review
[*]Cheapest I've seen it
[*]Another misc. link

This doesn't help us with this Navman model, but this link might be of interest to Johann?

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I have to admit the Navman is my favourite system that I have found so far. There's also a small feature on it in Auto Express this week page 71. Ade - I like your new animated gif...you've inspired me to modify mine again!

NikHL - About 12 months ago, I bought a GPS sleeve for my crappy Palm V thinking that it would be solution to getting sat nav in my A2. However it wouldn't pick up any signals and it was then I was advised about the heat athermic reflecting windscreen. What I'll probably end up doing is eventually buying one of the standalone units and if it doesn't work then I'll see if an external antenna solves the problem.

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Having never had SatNav before I have no idea how you keep it up to date. I assume you can buy updated SD cards for it and update it annually perhaps?

Would be good to get an answer from the dealer....

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Hi,

I use a VDo Dayton system that is mounted like this:

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I'm really pleased with this system !!




Dennis de Held

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That's a nice screen Dennis. The mounting system, is it easy to transfer between cars?

I don't see me using it much in my own cars, but rather in hire cars I get either via work when I have to travel or when I go on holiday and I get a hire car. Hence, it must be easily portable so it can fit into my luggage and have maps for most of western Europe and USA.

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Stuart:

1. With the iPAQ sytem you get a bloody good PDA too boot... mine is linked such that I can surf the web via Bluetooth and GPRS - so I pay only for the megs I use and not the minutes AND the phone can still ring and receive messages... no 0845 numbers to phone (that is not included in Vodafone inclusive minutes anymore!) or people that phone you and disconnect the link... So I can check RAC real time traffic anywhere at any time - to name but one thing useful to surf wirelessly on the web... now can the Sat Nav only system do that? Nope...

2. Price: go to www.dabs.com or similar and search for 3970 iPAQ prices (I'm not sure of the new 3450 can take these sleaves and it is little better than mine really apart from a removable battery). So you should get 3970 (bluetooth) for about £400 or so... 3950 sans Bluetooth... Don't go for 3870 or anything lower as they have old processors and very short battery life... and remember in the car the backlight is on and it saps power... the setup comes with a cigrette lighter power socket... but I find it can do a 2 hour journey on its own power easy...

3. All in the sleeve and CDs are from £250 to about £500... don't go for a system that does not have a flash card included in the price... the card is worth about £80 or so... BUT on my card I have the ENTIRE UK and Ireland - from the smallest singletrack backround I use to work to the more obvious. The cheaper systems wants you to work your route out on a PC beforehand and then download this route only and only 5 miles either way around it... so coming back a different way is a no go as is traveling the UK... Some packages include the entire EU now - BUT read the smallprint as they usually only include major trunk roads etc and probably not the little road to your villa is Spain... mine came sans EU maps unfortunately but I can buy the CD now for £125!!! eish... a bit steep IMHO...

4. The iPAQ reminds you of the wife's birthday, her mums, the anniversary and can play pac-man - can the sat-nav only system do that?

5. As you can see the bracket is a sucker system and moves from car to car very easy... not that you need directions around a racetrack in your 2nd car! :D we each have a 3970 and thus the sat-nav works on both PDAs and in both cars...

6. If your car's radio has a tape deck - mine has tape and front loading 6 disc CD - you can get a standard £5 tape adapter from most shops that you can plug into the iPAQ's audio out jack and put into the car's audio system... the iPAQ's speaker is not really load enough on the motorway. Thus you can play the directions through your car speakers. And when you want it to be silent you just select another funtion than tape which in effect mutes it. Especially useful when you know where you are and only want to see the ETA function or the map... I don't think the sat-nav only system has an audio out capability?

7. You do look at the screen... it shows in green where the planned route is which is very useful as you drive along to see where it is planning to send you. It gives directions but can't tell you which lane to be in... so you need to look at the map sometimes to see where it is heading...

8. The software uses word recognition too... so it does not only speak 10 words like left right etc! It "reads" road names and numbers and has a basic pronounciation for words... so sometimes Leicester sqaure is pronounced as the Americans would, as is anything ending on a ...wich and Streatham - pronounced Stretham is read as StreaaTHHHHam... LOL You can select any one of the people listed in the address book and remember this syncs with Outlook so is as up to date as that... and when you arrive it will say: "You have arrived at Stuart D's house in the country..." if that is what you have saved the person under... was quite freaky the first time it told me where I arrived like this!

9. iPAQ can sync via www.avantgo.com with a massive list of websites everytime you put it in its cradle... thus the Guardian, BBC, lastminute.com, movies close to you, you name it is always to hand...

10. ...the heat reflecting Audi windscreen does not have any effect on the signal - or my DART tag - both of which stated that Audi windscreens can be problematic...

11. ...you get the choice of either being spoken to by a man or a woman...

12. It re-routes very fast... a bit longer the longer your yourney as it has to recalculate everything from beginning to end... but on all my jouneys so far plenty fast enough and dead accurate. You can also click on a button at the top to recalc the route if a jam appears suddenly on the chosen route AND still keep the old route shown... it will also tell you how many miles you've added to you journey if you go the alternative way (since it does not know about the jam and can't calculate this "time" into its own ETA calcs)... the alternative will be marked in blue and you can see it on the map...

13. ...did I mention it reminds you of birthdays? :D



So all in you will pay about £900 for a decent system with a cracking PDA to boot...

Food for thought then...



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quote:Originally posted by Ade

That's a nice screen Dennis. The mounting system, is it easy to transfer between cars?

I don't see me using it much in my own cars, but rather in hire cars I get either via work when I have to travel or when I go on holiday and I get a hire car. Hence, it must be easily portable so it can fit into my luggage and have maps for most of western Europe and USA.

No, the computer is mounted in the glovecompartment, the remote is under the handbrake. The GPS antenna is under the dashboard, there's a TMC receiver in the underfloor compartment with a special FM antenna on the roof (the only A2 with a gsm/fm antenna on it's roof) and offcourse some wiring to speed signals etc.

It took one full day to install the system by an experienced mechanic. So , no, it's not portable.
The advantage of this system is that it doesn't rely on GPS only (like portable systems) it reads the speed signal, it has a compass and a laser gyroscope. The syste,m can functions several hours without GPS connection.

But, no, not portable. Some of my co-workers (i work for Hp-Compaq) have the Ipaq with the tomtom set and they're really enthousiastic about it. There's also a bluetooth enabled Ipaq that can use a bluetooth phone to connect to the internet/intranet.

Good luck !

Dennis de Held

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