thinking of merc a170

Mr Angry

A2OC Donor
hi guys

when i sell my toyota hilux surf 3.0td, im looking to get another automatic, cos im a lazy barsteward!!! anyhoos, do you have any recommendations on a similar family car to the a2? since i already have an a2 i dont think im going to buy another only because there isnt an automatic right hand drive version. what do you guys think? merc a170 are they any good? i know this is a2 forum, just thought i would ask if anyone has owned this vehicle and is worthwhile buying.

kind regards cammy
 
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I test drove one before A2 and found it tinny and rattly not impressed:(.Might just be a one off it certainly made my mind up about the A2 no contest at all:D
 
Not sure if it had the same engine that you're considering, but Mrs DarrenC used to drive one of those - maybe a PM to him would shed some light.

I do know however that they chopped it in for another A2 - maybe that gives you a clue as to what they thought, compared to Audis finest!

Cheers,

Mike
 
We considered the A class for a short time. Take a look at the owners comments on What Car's website cameron. Lots :eek: of reports of reliability issues and expensive repairs. They wont all be like that of course. GrahamR in Aberdeen has one, another possible PM for a subjective opinion.
 
We considered the A class for a short time. Take a look at the owners comments on What Car's website cameron. Lots :eek: of reports of reliability issues and expensive repairs. They wont all be like that of course. GrahamR in Aberdeen has one, another possible PM for a subjective opinion.

We've had an A-Class for 8 years (from when it was 9 months old - an ex Avis hire car). It's actually my wife's car and she loves it. I've tried to persuade her that it's time to let it go and get something newer, but she refuses saying "I'll run it into the ground". My wife is not tall, and she loves the high driving position. Visibility is certainly better than the A2. Also it is an easier car to drive with a very light gear change and light steering. To be honest the A-Class and A2 are quite similar in many ways, but before I get contrary comments I know there are many differences too!

Our A Class is now over 8 years old and there are minor areas of rust showing, although since we've maintained the Merc. service history we can claim against the corrosion warranty - which I will be doing (of course my A2 will never rust :)) Keeping the main dealer service history has been expensive, especially since our car does a tiny mileage, but I don't think any more expensive than servicing an A2 at an Audi main dealer.

As far as reliability is concerned (our car is an A140 petrol) the car has never let us down except untill just last week. The car has developed an intermittent starter problem when sometimes the starter will just not work. I suspect a relay but if it's the starter motor itself aparently the engine has to come out!:eek:

To sum up, I would say the A Class is a good car. It has some advantages over the A2, but on balance the A2 has more going for it. However if our A class needs a new starter it might be cheaper getting another A2 instead!

Graham
 
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My girlfriend has an A class 140 (petrol) Classic aproaching 5 years old. It is gutless and handles like a barge in comparison with the A2. The steering is vague and I do not think the brakes are as good. It is roomier and will carry loads which an A2 struggles with but build quality and material/finish quality is a class below the audi. Personally I would rather have 2 a2's! Or find something else......
 
hi

maybe i should just keep my toyota tank then :p only reason why im selling is due to fuel consuption - 20+ mpg not good!!!! tax for this bad boy is £190 for a year which is reasonable for a vehicle this size compared to others. i know this car is likely to outlive me, if youve ever seen the topgear episode where they put this car through those tough tests then you will know how strong and reliable they are, in the end though i think its time for a change - anyone willing to do part exchange for my black beauty for another a2 then? most likely NO :cool:

just out of curiosity how much would it cost for a left hand drive automatic a2 imported from europe?

as a driver i do like automatics, any suggestions then if i dont consider a merc a170? im not looking to get a saloon or anything like that, it has to be similar to the audi a2, merc a170 or a fuel efficent jeep!

i have seen the a170 cdi as i think the new a170 are way too expensive for me, couldnt say what year the newer ones started at or which model to pick. all i know is i drove one for a test drive (older model) and it seemed ok!

thanks for your replys
 
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Hi
i had a160 semi-auto was a little work horse came with gear lever but no clutch querky but once you got used to it what a laugh.
Was after a170 diesel but came across a2 and always had a want of one so wife got me it end of !
Been driving various cars left and right hand for many years all cars have problems especially when you put them all together in one sight!!!!

Whatever you decide as long as you give it a good checkover and see service history you should be ok!

My wife pointed out iv'e owned nigh on 20-30 cars in my life and never checked them properly LOL!!!!
Goodluck
 
the biggest single cost item in car ownership is depreciation NOT fuel consumption. So if economy is the only issue then keep your present vehicle until there are other compelling resaons for changing, even if you get a vehicle that does 50mpg. Supposing you do 12,000 miles a year at 25mpg you will use 480 gallons. Improve that to 50mpg and you will save 240 gallons @ £5 saves £1200. Now that sounds a lot but it pales into insignificance at the side of depreciation unles you are into bangernomics.
 
the biggest single cost item in car ownership is depreciation NOT fuel consumption. So if economy is the only issue then keep your present vehicle until there are other compelling resaons for changing, even if you get a vehicle that does 50mpg. Supposing you do 12,000 miles a year at 25mpg you will use 480 gallons. Improve that to 50mpg and you will save 240 gallons @ £5 saves £1200. Now that sounds a lot but it pales into insignificance at the side of depreciation unles you are into bangernomics.

i see where your coming from but you forget the other costs relating to this vehicle ie tyres, insurance & road tax, it all mounts up!!! ive had this car for over 4.5 yrs so i reckon its time for a change! i know how good this forum is for info etc... so maybe another audi is a better pick! we shall wait and see....

regards me
 
Sounds like what you have is quite cheap and does the job why bother with the hassle of changing !
Just do something too it like new boots or performance chip!
 
Not sure if it had the same engine that you're considering, but Mrs DarrenC used to drive one of those - maybe a PM to him would shed some light.

I do know however that they chopped it in for another A2 - maybe that gives you a clue as to what they thought, compared to Audis finest!

Cheers,

Mike

Mrs C did indeed drive a first generation A Class; a 140 petrol "classic" to be more precise.

We found the car very specious, (even though we owned the short wheel base version); with the boot being particularly good for large items. The internal switch gear was very dated however, and the fit and finish was not even close to that of the A2. We even had signs of surface rust were the A pillar meets with the wing; not very good for a premium brand - a 54 plate in late 2007 at that too.

In the end we got rid in part due to the quality of the A2 over and above the A Class. Mrs C wanted one and is now much happier with her A2 than she ever was with the A Class.

I am sure as Chris says, the new A Class is light years more advanced than the first generation was, but my limited experience of the brand has been enough to put me off Mercedes full stop. A touch judgemental perhaps, but then if I pay a premium for a badge/brand, I expect a certain quality as a given. The A2 proves that a manufacturers smallest production car doesn't have to be built out of lego.

Good luck in whatever you choose.

Darren
 
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All cars require RFL. tyres, insurance etc, if you simply want to cahnge fine, however i would not recommend a mk1 A class over an A2! like darren I do not think they live upto the badge anymore than my C class estate did which also disapointed me. Why not try a beemer 1 series diesel and get it chipped:D
 
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Hi. You may want to consider the following. We have owned a first generation A170CDI from new. Bought it in 1998 and kept it for 9 years. Was full option. Apart for some minor, but real expensive, repairs, nothing against the car. Service and repairs are expensive because it takes hours to get to the engine itself and hours to put everything back. Confort is better than the A2, more room side wise, front seats are more "coushonning" but do not hold you in tight curve. At least with the partial or full leather. We had the sport chassis and suspension on ours. Rear suspension developped a problem at the beginning and there was a recall from Mercedes on that issue. Glow plugs can be a major concern if they were never removed/changed. Lots of case with engine head to be removed to get the broken glowplug out.
Another big issue is the rust propagating under the plastic covers under the car. Well hidden out of view. If you go for one, have the car inspected in those place. Big issue, at the moment, in Germany with that problem. Rust starts on the rear, bottom, fenders as well. Check that as well. Engine and gearbox without issues except for the fuel pressure lines that had to be replaced. I did the servicing myself. Easy access to everything except the pollen filter. What else???? Oh yeah, the back springs and chocks go out often. Not too expensive but a pain to replace the shocks yourself. Lack of space to get to the bolts. Springs are easy. Check that the additional heater works under 5 degrees celsius. If you want more please mail.
First things that came to mind. we dont regret moving to the A2. Not 1 minute.
Ltr, Didier
 
ok guys......after some serious thinking it looks like im gonna keep the jeep :) last thing i need now is to buy a pig in a poke! you guys have scared me off the merc a170 :eek: so heres to the gas guzzlin hilux......its back to surfin time!!!!!!!

thanks for you indepth replys though!

regards me
 
Hi. You may want to consider the following. We have owned a first generation A170CDI from new. Bought it in 1998 and kept it for 9 years. Was full option. Apart for some minor, but real expensive, repairs, nothing against the car. Service and repairs are expensive because it takes hours to get to the engine itself and hours to put everything back. Confort is better than the A2, more room side wise, front seats are more "coushonning" but do not hold you in tight curve.

We too have an A170CDI (year 2001 face lift) from new (collected from dealer with less than 5 miles on the clock:)). Judging from your post we have been extremely lucky with ours as it has been completely trouble free - apart from a crack on a plastic pipe between the turbo and intake box around 3 years old. The replacement part cost well under £50, but the merc labour was nearly £200 because they had to "drop the engine" to gain access to the pipe. Apart from this we found the car cheap to maintain requiring an A/B service every two years. The A-Service comes in around the £100 mark at a main Mercedes dealership (okay we always proivde our own fully synthetic Mobil 1 oil sourced from Halfords at less than £40 on sale to keep costs down - but this simple trick causes Mercedes to knock close to £100 off their fix price servicing!!! Even the lady at receiption comments on this savings every time she prepares the bill for us;)). Likewise our B-Service has always been less than £200 (Mercedes told us it needed a brake fluid change at its second B service, but then duely forgot to do it and did not bill us for the extra charge either - we pointed this out when we saw the bill, so they immediately gave us a free brake fluid change to make up for their error, so this has also helped us to get our B service under £200 - strange that they have not since reported that our brake fluid needed changing!).

Annoying, despite garaging the car from new, we had some light rust coming through the rear wheel arches which Mercedes took care of immediately - even gave us a new Mercedes courtesy car to play with for 2 weeks while our car was in at their bodyshop. No further rust problems since.

Insurance has been great (via LV) with fully comp coming in under £160 for missus and myself to drive on a London post-code with class 1 business use. For the last 2 years we have managed to get £70 cash back each year by renewing our LV insurance via Quidco, so the fully comp insurance came in at under £100 with our 5 years no claims bonus! This is shockingly cheap as our A2 insurance comes in at around £350 with a similar no claims bonus, annual mileage and post-code AND that is without Class-1. Unforutnately Quido has now reduced their cash back for LV from £70 to only £20, so it looks like this year our A-Class insurance will be raise above the £100 mark:mad:.

All in all, missus will not drive the A2 due to the manual gearbox which simply cannot compete with the slick Merc 5 speed auto box and the poorer visibility on the A2 does not help matters either.
 
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@ WNGL,

Well, cannot say that we were unlucky either. Car was over 120.000 miles when we sold it after 9 years. Apart the 3 problems we had (back suspension, back brake - fully paid by Mercedes since it was a mistake done by the mecanic when rebuilding the rear axle/suspension, and the injector hi pressure lines) The service, I did myself. Bought the oil from a mobil oil importer, cheap. The mercedes mechanics (well, most of them) are young and fresh from school. Supervised by a chief mechanic for every 5. They use a laptop and winstar / star to repaire your car. Good mechanics with experience are too expensive! Today, it is better to use schoolboys but bill you like it is specialist doing the work. The rust, I discovered when doing the back exhaust. Had to remove the plastic plates under the car and found the truss/support bars and side to be rusting away. If you have access to a pit or car lift, remove one plate in the middle section under the drivers side and check for yourself. That, with the incompetence of some mechanics (we still owne a SLK AMG, R170 model) for both the A classe and SLK + the arrogance of most the staff, was enough to drive me away from Mercedes. Was a fan, had many benz (230S 1962, 280S 69 and 71, 280SE 71, 230 6cyl 73, 230SL 64, W201 190D 2.5 89, W201 2.5Turbo diesel 93, 280TE estate 83, A170CDI 1998 and SLK AMG 2000, learned to drive in one but will never buy a new benz again. We will keep the SLK but that's it. I moved to Audi years ago for commuting back and forth from work. I am still with Audi today. My wife the A2 and the A4 for myself. Soon to get the Q5. Still doing my services and most repairs myself. Quality, inside out, is better with Audi nowadays.
That's my opinion. Sorry if I nearly wrote a book here but felt it was needed;).
Ltr, Didier
 
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