6-Speed Gearbox
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Ikimiki
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Radim at EuroTuning says:
"unfortunately, our kit is for and only for 02A, 02J (gasoline and diesel), but not for 02T."
So that is now confirmed and definitive. Thanks for the pointer Spike!
k
"unfortunately, our kit is for and only for 02A, 02J (gasoline and diesel), but not for 02T."
So that is now confirmed and definitive. Thanks for the pointer Spike!
k
Skipton01
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I've got a lovely 6-speed DSG box now - albeit inside my TT!
The 5 gears with extended 5th is just fine in the A2.
Cheers,
Mike
timmus
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dan_b
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MikeMarsUK
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Very happy with it. It's actually very close to the BlueMotion gearbox setup.
Personally I wouldn't be happy with a big gap between 4th and an overdrive-style 5th gear, since for the non-motorway parts of my daily journey that would result in high revs (which is why I didn't go for the 5th gear mod... I imagine that a 5th gear mod using a 0.588 top would be pretty much unusable!). I do find the slightly increased gap between 4th and 5th a little irritating (the 5th was changed to be 0.70 from 0.75 in order to even out the gears), although I understand why they wanted to do it that way. If I find that the extra gap between 4th and 5th is noticeable when 5th is a 0.70, can you imagine how wound up I would be if the 5th was a 0.588 instead!
MPG has come down quite a lot due to winter though (72ish at the moment, but was in the high 80s in summer). Hope my drum brakes aren't sticking again like they did last winter, although there is no sign of extra heat at the hubs.
Tom has test-driven my car, so has a good idea of what the 6-speed box is like to use, compared to the standard.
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timmus
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Ooh, do tell
My car is currently at Stealth, having lots of work done. My car is currently suffering from a rash of age-related niggles. I may or may not be having a 6th gear added at the same time.
dan_b
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Ooh you tease!
My clutch is getting a bit difficult to manage moving off in 1st, and with the gearbox giving me the not infrequent crunch moving from 2nd to 3rd when cold (did it again this morning) I am starting to wonder if I might need some work done to the 'box in the not too distant.
The 0.658 5th gear mod I had done probably doesn't drop the revs enough at m-way speed to have had a dramatic MPG benefit. I've got used to the extended rev-drop but in both cases can see how it's a compromise solution and that a 6th gear would be better.
My clutch is getting a bit difficult to manage moving off in 1st, and with the gearbox giving me the not infrequent crunch moving from 2nd to 3rd when cold (did it again this morning) I am starting to wonder if I might need some work done to the 'box in the not too distant.
The 0.658 5th gear mod I had done probably doesn't drop the revs enough at m-way speed to have had a dramatic MPG benefit. I've got used to the extended rev-drop but in both cases can see how it's a compromise solution and that a 6th gear would be better.
My car is currently at Stealth, having lots of work done. My car is currently suffering from a rash of age-related niggles. I may or may not be having a 6th gear added at the same time.
timmus
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When motorway driving, the 0.659 5th gear increases my MPG significantly. Earlier in the summer I did a journey where I averaged 78mpg, which would have been impossible with a standard 5th given my lardy A2 with its 17" wheels and 205 tyres.
Whether the 0.659 5th reduces your overall consumption depends greatly on how much you end up using 4th. With a longer 5th, you can find yourself doing high revs in 4th quite frequently. As such, sometimes the longer 5th saves you money, and sometimes it costs you money. Whether the change of 5th gear makes financial sense depends greatly on how you use the car. Since I had the 0.659 5th put in, I've done thousands and thousands of motorway miles and I'm confident that it has, overall, saved me money (not taking the capital investment into account). However, there have been times when it's cost me a bit. I find longer 5th almost useless when driving in The Lakes, so weekends in the hills use a little more fuel than they did before the change of 5th.
As I have said before, adding a 6th gear is the ultimate solution; not only can 6th be longer still than the 0.659 5th, meaning even better motorway economy, but it also means having a standard 5th gear, meaning no high revs in 4th.
I've got used to running a longer 5th and, if limited to 5 gears, it remains my setup of choice. However, just like there are limitations to having a standard 5th, there are limitations to the longer 5th. It should be seen as a change, not as an upgrade. When I'm 'having fun' with the car, the magic ends when changing up from 4th to 5th. The overall 'driveability' of the machine is somewhat reduced. There are also certain cruising speeds and road conditions that leave you constantly 'managing the gap', which can get tiresome.
I drove an A2 TDI with a standard 5th recently and really enjoyed it, until I got on the motorway. The extra noise and vibration, even at 60mph, was quite wearing and I was once again reminded why I have my own gearing the way it is.
Tom
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timmus
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Undoubtedly: no high revving in 4th, the broad application of standard 5th and a really long over-drive gear. It's the ultimate!
timmus
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David,
I can't deny that I want to try the 0.681 gear, as I'd like to understand its pros and cons too. It's just fractionally longer than the standard 5th in a TDI90, which I imagine is quite good in a mapped 75. Obviously there's a smaller gap to manage, which is certainly a plus, but it won't reduce cruising revs and therefore lower noise and comsumption as much as the 0.659.
My sister likes the motorway benefits of my longer 5th, but wouldn't want to 'manage the gap' when driving her own car. I can well imagine that the 0.681 would be more suitable for her.
Tom
timmus
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Such a pity Audi didn't spec the A2 with 6 gears to start with. Gah, there's too many missed development opportunities with the A2 if only they hadn't canned it
Yeah, but just look at the fun we're having doing it ourselves!
dan_b
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True!
We just need someone to attempt to transplant a current-gen VAG 1.2TDi motor into the A2 now to see what is possible with modern diesel tech.
We just need someone to attempt to transplant a current-gen VAG 1.2TDi motor into the A2 now to see what is possible with modern diesel tech.
Yeah, but just look at the fun we're having doing it ourselves!
timmus
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I would be interested to see how far an A2 could go on a tank of fuel with a later TDI. Maybe we should buy a Guinea pig vehicle, do a trial conversion and, if successful, start rolling it out across 'the fleet'.
Maso
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Yeah, but just look at the fun we're having doing it ourselves!
Dont forget that for that time period when they released this car it was so ahead of its time on a lot of points and now this construction/tech is 10-12years old. Just imagine how they might or can improve the new coming A2 with all that feedback they have gotten over the years if they decide to put a lot of R&D time & money on the car.
Its surely is a pity that Audi had to be so forward. Making this type of car with todays tech and experience it could turn out to be a really great car now that many more people are looking into buying small, environmental, low consumption cars which they didnt ask for 10 years back.
dan_b
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The trouble is, there's no real clear commitment from Audi that they'll actually make a proper Mk2 A2, other than the regular ongoing speculation that it'll be nothing more than a Badge-engineering exercise repurposing one of the other VW platforms just simply to plug a numbers' gap in Audi's ever-expanding, bloated range line up. If they do vomit one up, I can't see it being the embodiment of Vorsprung Durch Teknik that the Ur-A2 was.
Sorry, feeling mighty cynical this morning
Sorry, feeling mighty cynical this morning