Audi Driver International 2007

Very well done guys, a great achievement. Yourselves and the club deserve it, maybe next year the A2 club will come away with a few more awards and prove to all that the A2 is still going strong!!
Sounds like you all had great day.
Shame I missed it. Would have liked to have attended it, espiecially the track session - but just as well I didn't as I discovered Sat morning the newly fitted N/S/F W/bearing is coming out the hub?? More later.

Great video Mike. What kind of speeds were you doing on the track? Think I want a 1.4 chipped TDi now.

Lewis Hamilton watch out - Wooly's about !!!

Keep up the good work guys.
Bob.
 
jimbobaroo said:
Great video Mike. What kind of speeds were you doing on the track? Think I want a 1.4 chipped TDi now.

Lewis Hamilton watch out - Wooly's about !!!

Keep up the good work guys.
Bob.
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I got up to 100mph at the braking point for the first left-hander and chicanes were taken at 45-50mph.

Let us know how you get on with the bearing problem.

Cheers,

Mike
 
Hi Mike,
If you were doing 100mph, then what was Speedy Gonzales Wooly doing??

Taking car into independant tmw a.m. - let you know outcome.

Cheers
Bob.
 
Just want to say thanks for a great day, Anita and I really enjoyed it and thank you for all your comments about my dad. I'm pleased that Hollyrescue's A2 lives on in the family and loved bringing it down. And thanks so much for passing my dads share of the club to me, I was over the moon!
I've got a few pics that I'll put up once I have them on the pc

Thanks everyone!

Peter and Anita
 
Hi all,

I have come over from the S2Forum as a bit of an ambassador following some of comments made there between our and your members.

You can see why we are just as surprised at everyone else that we got the communications award after the reception a couple of you got ;)

As for the Audi related club information award - congratulations and well done!

From the S2Forum point of view, it was more that if we were going to get any award, this is the one we were expecting!

I wasn't at the award evening, but i was at ADI (taking part in the concours...), and it was absolutely hilarious to see some of you guys throwing your cars round the track (as much as i could when i wasnt cleaning!) :D

As much as some of the S2Forum members are a bit bitter about the awards, it seems one or two of your a2oc members are a little bitter about the award evening quiz?

If you haven't spent to much time over the S2Forum you wont have seen that there is as much rivalry between the S2 Avant and S2 Coupe as there is disgust at the sight of an S2 badge on an A2.

To most of us, the S2 is a "one of a kind" classic Audi, the likes of which will never be created again. To see what is considered to be a glorified Saxo wearing our, or a modification of our badge, seems like your taking the biscuit a little .

Your proud of yours cars and want to stand out from the more "standard" A2's, or whatever reason you guys and/or girls have come up, im not sure, but i'll leave that up to you.

What does occur to me is that your forum members seem to just as strongly agree that your native car is another one of a kind that audi have given up on (as quoted by someone on a thread on your homepage).

At least you guys can walk into a dealer and be acknowledged that your car exists!

More often than not we get asked if we have the sport version of the A2!!!! :eek:

Anyway, my 2 pence.

alexwharton said:
Just read the S2 forum What a bunch of clowns.
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That's a rather sweeping statement don't you think?

And following my light hearted comment above, one which i rather resent.

Not than you can take tips from us about communications (even if we did win the communications award :D), but it seems there are members on your forum similar to ours. (Which brings me nicely to another point about being a fellow Audi internet forum...)

Cheers,

Sonic
 
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Sonic,

Firstly I'm not registered on the S2 forum, and haven't read the comments made by your members and those from here who have responded back. However, what I will say is that people are always free to comment; and we are obviously two very passionate and model focussed clubs - owners of two very unique if not somewhat 'forgotten' models from Audi's recent past.

But, when things degenerate into a slanging match it does neither club any good. You won an award, we won an award - that says something for the quality of both clubs. Making it personal detracts from the achievements of both sites, and trust me will do neither club any good (there were once two UK based SEAT clubs, one self-destructed through the conduct of some of it's members slagging off the other site - which led to it being shunned by the manufacturer and various publications. The end.)

Across the VW group, parts, badges, ideas are traded from forum to forum, model to model, that itself is the spirit of the VAG community. Yes some A2's carry 'S2' badging, mine has 's-line' as do many others; at ADI I saw an RS6 Avant badged as a TDI :rolleyes: either way, it makes no odds - those in the know will instantly know a true S2 from an S2 badged A2, and ditto a TDI from an RS6!

Let's leave things here, let admins delete any posts that are too wide of the mark and get on with appreciating our cars and clubs for what they are, great.

Ian
 
Hi Sonic,

Thanks for the post. It's good to see an S2 member around these parts. I can see that collectively we share a sense of loyalty to our cars and are quick to defend them - yours over the inappropriate use of S2 badges, and ours over the unfounded prejudice that we consistently sustain from other Audi clubs.

As with a lot of computer-based communication - people's views and opinions can be difficult to judge in electronic form. It's easy to take offence to words on the screen and in e-mails - whereas had these been made in person, I'm sure we would have had a much more light hearted response.

If nothing else, these two threads have given visibility to both clubs in one way or another.

Anyway, enjoy your S2 - we'll be in the same boat as you with regard to the dealers acknowledging our existence before too long.

And as for the friendly awards rivalry - let's both do our level best to improve for next year!

Take it easy,

Ben (A2 factory supplied with no badges at all)
 
I Have edited thread 132 for inapropriate language i have seen these things get out of hand before
...I DO NOT want this to turn into a slanging match between 2 Clubs ....
Both clubs enjoyed the day and evening awards so lets just leave it at that.....

We obviously both feel very passionatly about are cars and clubs and i dont see why we cant excist
peacefully alongside each other .... END OFF !!!!

Like you said we both got left behind by Audi to pick up the pieces so lets be United in reminding AUDI
That the A2/S2 still excist ......

Thank You .....
 
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Sonic, your comments are very welcome on these pages and although I agree with AelxWhartons clown comment in principal, you are obviously not included as a clown.

Thanks for taking the time (and risking the wrath of Jamo it seems) to post here.

I had all this bullsh1t last year on Tyresmoke, with Shark_90 and others and it saddens me that it's happening again.

My blood was boiliing last night at his unprofessional approach (naming full names, language etc) and I had to say something back, to let him know that his comments were reaching those that he so casually slagged off.

When you are as passionate about a car as I am, then I won't take comments from people like him and Audiman without defending myself.

I have it on very good authority that there was an S2 version of the A2 planned and it was only cancelled as late as mid-2003. The few badges that are knocking about could well be lash-ups of other 'S' badges, but I do know what to look out for and the one I got seems genuine.

All this hatred over a little bit of ally-coated plastic!

Cheers,

Mike

I'll buy you a pint if you're at the dinner next year
 
S2_Sonic said:
As much as some of the S2Forum members are a bit bitter about the awards, it seems one or two of your a2oc members are a little bitter about the award evening quiz?
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Hi S2_Sonic and welcome to the A2OC.

I was present at Castle Combe and the ADI Gala dinner award ceremony and can testify that it was a great day all round.

Our A2OC members attended both the day and evening reception with the full pride and enthusiasm for our cars and club; much in the same vain as all others present.

We were thrilled to have picked up an award; (one which our members will testify to as being richly deserved), and we equally applauded and supported as others collected their own titles. There was no resentment or anger from our camp at any point during the evening.

My wife and I were intrigued when Wayside Audi collected the title for "Audi Centre of the year – parts and accessories", (being from this neck of the woods and voting for them myself). My wife attempted to engage in conversation with one of your members after the ceremony, because your club collected the award for them and the chat was merely a friendly gesture. Unfortunately, the person that my wife engaged in conversation with was rather 'cutting to say the least'. A comment was made by your member about "at least we won the quiz" and it was at this point, with humour, that my wife joked about outside assistance. Whether your member was bitter at not winning the information award or not, personally I don't much care. My wife had the grace to treat your club member with the respect that she treats everyone she meets with. Winning an award, winning the quiz, is neither here nor there and I am personally saddened that an event which had so many cherished memories has now erupted into a bitter war of words.

We have every right to be proud of our little car, just as everyone else does; engine power output doesn't feature. The A2 is as much of a future classic as any other and I am proud to own an example, be a member of this excellent forum and be surrounded by kind, caring, like-minded individuals.

Darren
 
Skipton01 said:
I had all this bullsh1t last year on Tyresmoke, with Shark_90 and others and it saddens me that it's happening again.
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Mike

I'm going to "set the record straight" here, but this time on your home turf.

It was mentioned on the S2forum that there would probably be more S2 badges present on the A2OC stand than on the S2forum stand, which is when I made my fleeting comment about you and the ribbing that you got last year about your LED Audi badge.

It appears to me, that both last year and this year, you have gone looking around other forums to see if anything had been said. Both times it is you who has registered solely to stick your oar in and I'm afraid I have absolutely no sympathy for you. I'd have thought someone with nearly 2,500 posts on an internet forum would have known how they work by now.

As with many things, it is better to live and let live. If an individual, or a group of individuals think what you're doing is silly and they voice opinions about it, imagine their eyes light up when you register and start posting... talk about walking straight into the lion's den!

I too modify cars. At last year's ADI I had my B6 A4 1.8T quattro Sport. It came from the factory with only 2 options; leather and quattro. Everything else I retrofitted myself, with the only things missing off the car's original option list being PDC and heated seats, which were next on my list. I also fitted many things that weren't even on the options list. Now it appears to me that you have stopped all this LED Audi badge nonsense and you've actually tastefully modified and retrofitted things to your A2 in exactly the same way I did, and many do. Which is a great thing, and I can really appreciate what you've done. It's a labour of love.

As for the S2, that's being stripped out and modified into a fast road/track car, which is a new kind of modification to me.

By posting last year on Tyresmoke, and this year on S2forum, you flung the doors wide open to abuse, and you must have known it. Do you really think everyone would just back down and say sorry under their breath, and scuttle off with their tails between their legs? No, the ribbing's going to just get worse.

And trying to justify the use of an S2 'badge' by saying "For your info, there was a new S2 planned before the manufacturing losses caused the early termination of the A2. It was to have the 1.8T and 6-speed box from the A3, but slightly de-tuned for the A2." isn't going to help your cause at all, is it? There's been an RS3 planned for 5 years ;) If it makes you feel any better a friend of mine purports to have seen that car, an "S2" mule when he was over in Germany.

Now can we just kiss and make up? I'm not a bad bloke, I just take the mickey out of anyone who badges a car up to be something it's not, and even worse, something it could never have been. Hell, I even hate mis-spaced private number plates - what's the point? And surely you knew that the LED badge of last year was going to create a stir of mixed opinions?

Friends?
 
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Hello Shark,

Friends? Certainly, I'm not out to make enemies of other Audi groups and forums. I'm also not out to misrepresent my car as an 'Ur S2', just to differentiate it from the pack, which was the idea behind the LED rings (which make a great interior house light now!).

I have still got LEDs, which your lot will probably take the p1ss out of, but they are fully integrated S6 DRLs that are inside the headlamp shells.

What I have tried to do is to carry on where Audi lost interest, hence retro-fitting ALL the factory options (bar tow hitch) and then more besides (xenon headlamps with auto self-levelling and washers, RNS-E, TT/R8 MFSW, with full voice control and so on).

I don't go looking around other forums just at ADI time, but as any group owner does, I keep an eye on the 'competition' to see where we can improve or change things around a bit. I've been registered on Tyresmoke for a while and only took umbridge at some comments last year, the same with you this year.

I don't mind a bit of gentle ribbing, but when it gets personal (and using my full name) and nasty, then I have to take action. I don't expect folks to back down no, but then don't expect me to take things lying down either. I only had a go at Jamo for inconsistency in his moderation (which he took a dislike to).

I just get sick and tired of all the negativity surrounding the A2 from other groups, the media and even Audi: when so much sh1t is flying around, some of it sticks and from time to time, and we need to get rid of it.

Some facts: the A2 IS a 'proper' Audi, it was made at the same factory as the A8 and used many of the same techniques and has all the same quality.

It was a car ahead of its time and only now is it being fully appreciated by the general public: it's economic to run, is massive on the inside, will not rust and handles like a go-kart. Re-mapping and other performance mods mean that it's no slouch either.

The bonnet isn't sealed and it doesn't rock when the wipers are on. The car wasn't a poor mans Audi either, once a few options were on, the car could easily get to A3/A4/fwd TT prices (mine did!).

Once Allard have worked their magic, I fully expect my A2 to be capable of very good lap times - not up to 'Ur S2' standards, but still rapid.

Thanks for taking the time to come over here and if we can foster closer ties (both clubs represent defuct models now) then the recent 'debate' (he calls it diplomatically) was useful.

Cheers,

Mike
 
Ive just had a read through the thread on S2forum.com and as the Admin/Webmaster/Owner I thought Id come over and post on here. Its the first time ive managed to get onto S2forum since ADI but it does seem the comments got a bit out of hand with comments escalating.

It sounds like some of them have stemed from events after audi driver between a couple of people. As mentioned earlier these arent the views of the entire forum as you will understand.

Id also like to congratulate A2OC on your award too, I am certain that you guys are deserving of such an award.

Skipton01 said:
I do congratulate the S2 Forum on winning their award and hope that we can get along a little better in the future after the dust has settled and the air is clearer.

Cheers,

Mike
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A2ULP said:
Sounds good Jamo, we're always up for getting our tents out at any opportunity (even if some members get stuck in theirs because the zip has frozen-shut :) ) so catching-up at Billing sounds like a great idea
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As for the Billing Meet it would certainly be good to get the A2OC involved too, Billing is predominately a social event, BBQ and show n shine. If you guys are intersted in getting involved drop me a pm and we can go from there.

As for the A2, S2 discussion going on it looks like it has settled down now but keep it friendly please guys. I havent driven an A2 but when a guy with an A2 came to one of the S2 pub socials i was amazed at the space inside for such a small car and they are good cars in their own right but in my opinion in different criteria for the S2. Like has been said on the A2OC and here both models are a dying breed compared to modern Audi offerings so lets enjoy both models and work with rather than against eachother.

I'll try get over here later in the week and have a read of some of the sections on your site too. Look forward to seeing you all again at other meets/shows
 
Thanks for your comments Greg - most welcome and things have settled now (I think).

We drive what we drive because we love what we drive, it's as simple as that!

I'm sure our Social team will be in touch to sort out the Billing meet and that we can get along in the future - The Audi 2 Club!

Cheers,

Mike
 
Hi Darren,

I think there was a bit of confusion with the tables. There was only myself and Claire there representing S2forum. I was in a suit with blue purple stripy tie and collected the award with claire. The S2 table was just a model picked for the table and we were joined by 4 members of TTOC, Neil Birkitt and two other people associated with Audi Driver. The chap that collected the award for wayside audi did it as a stand in since they were unable to attend and wasnt part of S2forum. And for chating to the guy that collected the wayside award was there with his dad and they were both nice blokes to talk to, and im sure no offence was intended.

Darren C said:
My wife and I were intrigued when Wayside Audi collected the title for "Audi Centre of the year – parts and accessories", (being from this neck of the woods and voting for them myself). My wife attempted to engage in conversation with one of your members after the ceremony, because your club collected the award for them and the chat was merely a friendly gesture. Unfortunately, the person that my wife engaged in conversation with was rather 'cutting to say the least'. A comment was made by your member about "at least we won the quiz" and it was at this point, with humour, that my wife joked about outside assistance. Whether your member was bitter at not winning the information award or not, personally I don't much care. My wife had the grace to treat your club member with the respect that she treats everyone she meets with. Winning an award, winning the quiz, is neither here nor there and I am personally saddened that an event which had so many cherished memories has now erupted into a bitter war of words.

We have every right to be proud of our little car, just as everyone else does; engine power output doesn't feature. The A2 is as much of a future classic as any other and I am proud to own an example, be a member of this excellent forum and be surrounded by kind, caring, like-minded individuals.

Darren
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Greg_S said:
Hi Darren,

I think there was a bit of confusion with the tables. There was only myself and Claire there representing S2forum. I was in a suit with blue purple stripy tie and collected the award with claire. The S2 table was just a model picked for the table and we were joined by 4 members of TTOC, Neil Birkitt and two other people associated with Audi Driver. The chap that collected the award for wayside audi did it as a stand in since they were unable to attend and wasnt part of S2forum. And for chating to the guy that collected the wayside award was there with his dad and they were both nice blokes to talk to, and im sure no offence was intended.
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Hi Greg,

Many thanks for taking the time and trouble to reply.

I did not accompany my wife when she went AWOL, (;)), so to be honest I am not sure exactly who she spoke too. Whoever it was and whether it was intentional or not, that is obviously how it came across to her.

Like I said in my post, I was saddened at the recent events and I had even began to question the whole club scene. Thanks to people like yourself, I have had my faith restored. I am a car nut first and foremost, (though with 7 or 8 Vauxhall's to my name - some might question this... :D), and I am now looking forward once again to future joint club meets and ADI. The same can be said for my better half.

Without wishing to dreg up the past, thanks again for your kind words and lets enjoy Audi's finest.

Buy you a beer at ADI 2008, if not before! :p

Cheers,

Darren
 
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