Moving on
- Thread starter dan_b
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Hey Dan, You'll not leave here, its been too much a part of you
Never been in a Volvo before, recently I had a Volvo V60 D4 R Design as a courtesy car, I was pleasantly surprised, an absolutely beautiful and a lovely machine. I wasn't informed it had the auto emergency brake feature, which caught me off guard as it went into action when I was crawling to a stop whilst a bus was crossing my path at a roundabout!.
Extremely comfortable seats and as soon as my wife sat in those lovely seats she said she wants one!
You'll not be disappointed if it's anything like the one we had.
Sarge
dan_b
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Well, I found the car to be very comfortable, excellent seats in particular, good ride and handling, and the engine was so much smoother than the little 3pot I'm used to it almost felt like it was a petrol rather than a diesel. So ticked all of those boxes at least. I'm looking forward to driving it!
Pleased to read that you are happy with your new ride, Dan. Lessons the pain of passing up your excellent A2. Enjoy mate.
Doh. I read your thoughts as applicable to your new car.
Sentiment applies; just a tad premature... ...not that kind.
Sentiment applies; just a tad premature... ...not that kind.
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Guest 4123
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Is a boiler that doesn't use waste heat, a micro-CHP? If it doesn't, I can't quite see the point of it. Will it generate sufficient electricity over the lifetime of the boiler, to justify the cost (and the cost of gas used for generation)? In an energy efficient house, it will generate less electricity anyway. It's a bit like an electric car; I worked out that I would have to do 400,000km in a E-Up (compared with an Up) before I started making any savings. 400,000km in a limited range car! That was before road fuel came down in price (and electricity prices didn't). I was also assuming that the cost of an eventual replacement battery would roughly balance the saved servicing costs.
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chubbybrown
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wave/Tidal power is the way forward,Hidden and wonderful.
Another massive hydro scheme about to clear planning in the highlands,at least it has to be agreed rather than the Ceausescu ones in Romania where they just flooded Villages if they stayed or not[h=1][/h]
Another massive hydro scheme about to clear planning in the highlands,at least it has to be agreed rather than the Ceausescu ones in Romania where they just flooded Villages if they stayed or not[h=1][/h]
manhattan$
Past Member
My figures work out differently...
Example:
Audi A1 2.0 TDI Black Edition £21k car £279pm
Monthly fuel costs £200pm
Road tax £20
Insurance £300 year
BMW i3 £35k car £274pm
Monthly fuel costs £20-30pm on home charging.
Battery warranty 8 years
Free road tax
Insurance £159 year
Free parking and charging at council car parks
Free CCS fast charging on motorways etc
Congestion charge free
A charge from 0-100% at home is £1.70p and it will do 80 miles on a full charge = 2p per mile. Drive it very carefully in the warmer weather and you will get nearer to 100.
Petrol & diesel prices are creeping back up and we have just changed our electric over, reduced to 8.5p a kWh 24/7.
We wont keep the car for 8 years so no worries about having to replace the battery pack. Theres not much to service on a ev and only a few moving parts.
Theres no ev limited range, just stop at a fast charger for 20 mins and carry on. Or, go for a range extender ev. Batteries are being upgraded in July with 50% more ev range via Samsung 94ah batteries.
So in our case, car running costs have been considerably reduced instantly, by roughly £200pm.
So they can be viable and also save you money and reduce your carbon footprint.
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Difficult to compare when there are obvious subsidies (some large) involved. There's no such thing as free! Someone is paying.
manhattan$
Past Member
Ok, lets take off the subsidy and work it out not using any of free parking and charging perks...
A1 £21k - £200 Diesel - Insurance £30
i3 £30k - £30 Home Electric - Insurance - £17
It is still around £193 per month cheaper than the A1.
Reducing my Co2 output is also another good thing.
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Guest 4123
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So a £35k i3 has suddenly become a £30k i3. Is that due to the government subsidy? You still have to account for the £14k difference in initial cost.
The CO2 calculations are also flawed. Some time ago I remember reading a review of the Nissan Leaf which calculated the actual CO2 emissions, due to the means used to generate power in the UK. They were 81g/km, exactly the same as my Lupo 3L!
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The CO2 calculations are also flawed. Some time ago I remember reading a review of the Nissan Leaf which calculated the actual CO2 emissions, due to the means used to generate power in the UK. They were 81g/km, exactly the same as my Lupo 3L!
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I would imagine that the depreciation on a 10-year old i3 requiring a new battery would not be very favourable to the owner!
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manhattan$
Past Member
I wont have that problem as its on a PCP. I can decide to keep it, trade it, px it, sell it, or hand it back. I would never use savings to buy a new car, they are best for investing with rather than spending on a depreciating purchase.
EV tech is moving so fast, you wouldn't want to own a i3 for 10 years, hence i will be changing every two or three years. Most likely for a Tesla Model 3.
Do you not like the subsides? Maybe look at a used E-Up! ?
manhattan$
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Birchall
Dick Chown Award 2016
Yes, since your figures are for a PCP the depreciation is not relevant because in both cases you can just hand them back.
Steve B
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Hopefully someone will want to own a 10-year old i3, otherwise the CO2 emissions from manufacturing EV's will be horrendous!
I think the problem would be finding one!
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I am also an Ecotricity customer but do you imagine that there will be sufficient renewable energy to power all future EV's. You can also largely discount solar as most EV's will be charged at night!
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