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[The Colonel]

So, I collected this 1.6 FSI SE last Sunday. When I went to view it they said that the engine warning light was on. They’d scanned the car and it pointed at the mass air flow sensor. Which they replaced before I collected it. I drove it home and it ran perfectly. Happy me.

After a few days, it was pointed out to me that there was a low rumbling noise when at higher revs. Thinking it was the exhaust I took it to a friend who looked underneath. It wasn’t the exhaust. It seemed it was the large hose/pipe from the air filter that had come off. I drove it 15 miles home and it sounded lots better. As I was approaching Home, the engine management light and ABS light came on with the dreaded 3 shrill beeps. After a few turn off turn ons, the fault seemed to clear and it ran perfectly. That was till today. When driving home I thought the engine sounded funny at low revs and there was a lack of power. On idle, the engine was hunting between 600 and 800 rpm. And there was a delay when pressing accelerator.

Upon plugging in a diagnostic tool it says there’s a misfire on cylinder 1. Here’s the questions......... can I take it back to the garage I bought it from to be looked at as it’s a week since the purchase?

And, could it be an expensive fix?

Sorry to ramble on. Any help and advice would be most welcome.

Thanks.

 

[scimmyowner]

Hi - the law has changed and I believe you have 30 days to reject a car if faulty and bought from a garage even used. They can rectify the defect if that’s what you require. I bought a car a few months ago and it was diagnosed with a faulty turbo by a specialist- I returned to dealer within 30 days and had a full refund
Cheers Dave

 

[thestable]

Could it be a coil pack? If so @BoxyA2 has a great deal at the moment.


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[BoxyA2]

I’d take it straight back.. any self respecting garage will resolve or come to an arrangement to get it fixed..

The fault is the exact scenario I had with my 1.6 FSI... I’ve just had new injectors fitted a complete decarb and lots of new little bits and bobs.. it’s not a cheap job I’m afraid to say as whilst your there you may as well replace or refurb all 4 injectors.. and the pipe of death on this model.. but it could be a knackered coil pack also but suspect it’s an injector as these models do suffer with them

I wouldn’t be tempted to put in a fuel additive cleaner as there pretty much useless on this design of engine !

 

[damadgeruk]

As Boxy said, take it back. FSI has engine code BAD, they're lovely when running properly though potentially frustrating money pits if not. Good luck, it's a lovely looking car.

 

[The Colonel]

I’d take it straight back.. any self respecting garage will resolve or come to an arrangement to get it fixed..

The fault is the exact scenario I had with my 1.6 FSI... I’ve just had new injectors fitted a complete decarb and lots of new little bits and bobs.. it’s not a cheap job I’m afraid to say as whilst your there you may as well replace or refurb all 4 injectors.. and the pipe of death on this model.. but it could be a knackered coil pack also but suspect it’s an injector as these models do suffer with them

I wouldn’t be tempted to put in a fuel additive cleaner as there pretty much useless on this design of engine !

Thanks for the info. If it is an injector problem, potentially how much are we talking for a repair.

 

[damadgeruk]

I don't know the cost of injectors though I do know that tracing faults on the FSI is often expensive. £300 may well cover the cost of a replacement injector, the problem is these engines have many possible issues with difficult to diagnose symptoms. Again, it's a lovely car, best of luck.

 

[BoxyA2]

Thanks for the info. If it is an injector problem, potentially how much are we talking for a repair.

Injectortune do a refurb service on the injectors for £58 a set of 4 but take 48hrs turn around, the death pipe is £10 gaskets from Audi £17.00 genuine injector seals from Audi £40 for the 4 then I’d factor in some decarb work and clean up of the manifold ££? Plus around £250 in labour and you won’t be far off..

 

[The Colonel]

Injectortune do a refurb service on the injectors for £58 a set of 4 but take 48hrs turn around, the death pipe is £10 gaskets from Audi £17.00 genuine injector seals from Audi £40 for the 4 then I’d factor in some decarb work and clean up of the manifold ££? Plus around £250 in labour and you won’t be far off..

Thank you.

 

[The Colonel]

I don't know the cost of injectors though I do know that tracing faults on the FSI is often expensive. £300 may well cover the cost of a replacement injector, the problem is these engines have many possible issues with difficult to diagnose symptoms. Again, it's a lovely car, best of luck.

Thank you

 

[The Colonel]

I’ve rung the garage and explained all the issues. I’m taking it back this morning for them to keep and have a look at over next few days. Hopefully it’s not too expensive and we can come to a deal on the cost.

I love the car. Best thing I’ve driven. But now kind of worried that buying an FSI has got me into a big old money pit.

Thanks for the advice so far.

 

[damadgeruk]

I’ve rung the garage and explained all the issues. I’m taking it back this morning for them to keep and have a look at over next few days. Hopefully it’s not too expensive and we can come to a deal on the cost.

I love the car. Best thing I’ve driven. But now kind of worried that buying an FSI has got me into a big old money pit.

Thanks for the advice so far.

I'm sure there are many happy FSI owners out there (they're not the ones that post here typically) though you're better knowing than not IMO, particularly if the seller has responsibility to help. Worrying you was not my aim.

 

[The Colonel]

I'm sure there are many happy FSI owners out there (they're not the ones that post here typically) though you're better knowing than not IMO, particularly if the seller has responsibility to help. Worrying you was not my aim.

No probs mate. Maybe I’m sharing too much but just getting over a bit of a mental health issue so getting easily stressed over things.

 

[timmus]

No probs mate. Maybe I’m sharing too much but just getting over a bit of a mental health issue so getting easily stressed over things.

The FSI isn't really the best A2 for stress-free motoring. FSI stands for Faulty Since Introduction, or Full Savings Invested, or (if you're feeling uncouth) F*cking Sh*t Idea.
The FSI is by far the least reliable of all the engines available in the A2. Whilst some have been lucky, I think even its biggest fans have to concede this to be true. It was VAG's first attempt at a direct injection petrol engine and therefore features the inevitable teething troubles of a new system. They are relatively rare, don't feature widely in other cars and are very poorly understood by a vast majority of garages. People have spent huge amounts of money just trying to get the engine management light in the instrument cluster to switch off. When you then take into account the troubles with fuel injectors, coolant loss, swirl flap actuators, coil packs, etc, you can understand why some owners keep an emergency fund. I'd suggest that a large majority of threads started on this forum about engine difficulties relate to the FSI.

It's a great shame, because they're cracking engines when they work properly and there's no direct alternative; it's the only 'fast' petrol A2 available. I know of a handful of really well-kept FSIs within the club and they are to be treasured (at the time of release, the FSI engine was every bit as pioneering as the rest of the A2's engineering), but a majority of FSIs out there on the open market will need a considerable investment to get them 'right'. I work with A2 electronics all the time and, of the last 10 FSI instrument clusters that've passed through my hands, 8 have had their engine management light taped over or removed altogether. That is, I think, an indication of the scale of their reliability problems.

There's a familial atmosphere 'round here, so no issues with "sharing too much". Only in doing so will stigmas be overcome. I wish you all the best for your health and many happy miles in an A2.

Cheers,

Tom

 

[damadgeruk]

No probs mate. Maybe I’m sharing too much but just getting over a bit of a mental health issue so getting easily stressed over things.

FSI is stressful, I'm hoping to talk the wife into a TDI swap(though she's attached having had it since our daughter was born-13 now). Ours has NFG in the reg, it has been referred to as No F'ing Good, along with the others noted by timmus, Tom. No issues sharing here, good luck with both.

 

[The Colonel]

The guy had a look at it today. The misfire was on 1. Swapped 1 to 4 coil pack and misfire went to 4. So he’s replaced it and running fine now.

However, after today’s experience, I’m going to have a car pot on the go. Save money every month for the next big problem. Which from what I read, is inevitable.

 

[damadgeruk]

The guy had a look at it today. The misfire was on 1. Swapped 1 to 4 coil pack and misfire went to 4. So he’s replaced it and running fine now.

However, after today’s experience, I’m going to have a car pot on the go. Save money every month for the next big problem. Which from what I read, is inevitable.

Great news, enjoy your new wheels, I recall the FSI being great fun.

 

[BoxyA2]

Great result... welcome to the “working” FSI group.. I’ve spent a considerable amount of money getting mine right but I have a very quick little FSI go-cart that I love...

 

[Vorsprung durch Technik]

Glad you got it running right and it turned out to be a very cheap fix.

I'm going to defend the FSI here. Yes they have the well know running issue problems, ie; Injectors misfire, N316 vacuum valve (cheap to replace) inlet manifold flaps sticking but anything else ie throttle bodies egr valves the diesel suffers with these too as can but not often the 1.4 petrol.

Ian (Boxy) has sorted his FSI out for less than £600 done professionally which is not a lot really when you consider the cost of the diesels Dual mass fly wheel that goes along with intercoolers not cheap and replacements leak quite quickly as has been reported (they all go eventually) not to mention turbos. Ok the diesels do seam to go on for longer without problems but you'll have to agree most diesels for sale are high mileage jobbies so new owners will be saddled with the problems. Question for you guys. Can you tell i don't like diesels? Lol

 

[BoxyA2]

Glad you got it running right and it turned out to be a very cheap fix.

I'm going to defend the FSI here. Yes they have the well know running issue problems, ie; Injectors misfire, N316 vacuum valve (cheap to replace) inlet manifold flaps sticking but anything else ie throttle bodies egr valves the diesel suffers with these too as can but not often the 1.4 petrol.

Ian (Boxy) has sorted his FSI out for less than £600 done professionally which is not a lot really when you consider the cost of the diesels Dual mass fly wheel that goes along with intercoolers not cheap and replacements leak quite quickly as has been reported (they all go eventually) not to mention turbos. Ok the diesels do seam to go on for longer without problems but you'll have to agree most diesels for sale are high mileage jobbies so new owners will be saddled with the problems. Question for you guys. Can you tell i don't like diesels? Lol

I too stand by the FSI... plus with the new MOT regulations regards diesels and most diesels I’ve seen being above the 100k mark.. it only makes me wonder how many will survive the next 5 years ?