Rise from the scrappers

JavaGreen

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Scotland
I was going to scrap my fsi (only had since Sept last year), it was one of Mr Boons old cars, as it had developed several faults (eml being one) with one main problem of needing belts changed etc and a worrying misfire…. and at 107k was wondering if it was worth it??

After deliberation:

1. It is going in next week to get new cam belt/tensioner/water pump
2. New coil packs
3. A good full service
4. and anything else it needs
5. New proboost arriving in May??

Why…… well I think all the above will cost circa £1k

When all done I know where we stand… will start getting panels painted as required.

If I bought another for x£k it will probably require most of the above doing anyway. Besides, I miss having the fun with it.

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What you've described I would consider as the minimum any FSi needs for me to be happy to expect it to be dependable - with the exception of the cambelt etc. if already done of course.

Suggestion - I would in your position consider adding a thorough drain and inspection of the the various cooling pipes while the bonnet is off and the parts available.
 
I have a 1.4 Sport with 107 000 miles and I wrestled with the idea of spending a packet on Colour DIS and Cruise Control with our friend Tom (Timmus). The car cost me £1600 in 2018! In the end I decided that there's nothing new going on the in the ICE car world that is putting the A2 in the shade. If you intend to run a ICE car until they hound you off the road (as I do), you might as well just spend the money on one's A2 as there is nothing out there that can replace it.

If I ever have to go electric, I'll get an Citroen Ami to potter about town and use our terrible railways to go anywhere else.
 
Exactly the spirit. To get anything with as much individuality and design will cost way more than keeping these cars alive. Plus they're going up in value for now, the fsi will be the one that's rarest first too due to people giving up on it first. Well done resisting the urge. We have another car it's a brand new BMW hybrid, its brilliant but imparts no emotions or character, therefore no magic. All the little things that annoy us and we have planned to fix generate a relationship between man and machine. Being angry at the car is okay ? being financially crippled by it is all part of the balance of joy
Edit - I'm not drunk ?
 
That's great another A2 saved. The coil packs for me have made a big difference on both the 1.6 and 1.4 it's stopped the hesistency. I'm keeping the A2's until eventually someone does a good electric kit for them!
 
Yay! Well done, sustainability through longevity.

It's surely only a matter of time before we come to our senses and realise just how environmentally unsustainable pure electric vehicles are.

I reckon that, in a couple of decades, we'll have another 'dieselgate' on our hands. What'll we call that? Electric gate?

Our public transport systems need massive investment and should be heavily subsidised, to the extent that it's so cheap, you'd be bonkers to consider driving. Unfortunately, rather difficult to cover with our escalating population growth, though elon musk seems to think we need more people on this little globe of ours. Can't see it myself though...

Ho hum...
 
Yay! Well done, sustainability through longevity.

It's surely only a matter of time before we come to our senses and realise just how environmentally unsustainable pure electric vehicles are.

I reckon that, in a couple of decades, we'll have another 'dieselgate' on our hands. What'll we call that? Electric gate?

Our public transport systems need massive investment and should be heavily subsidised, to the extent that it's so cheap, you'd be bonkers to consider driving. Unfortunately, rather difficult to cover with our escalating population growth, though elon musk seems to think we need more people on this little globe of ours. Can't see it myself though...

Ho hum...
Well said, field's of old batteries a non recycling ♻️ legacy ?
 
Our public transport systems need massive investment and should be heavily subsidised, to the extent that it's so cheap, you'd be bonkers to consider driving. Unfortunately, rather difficult to cover with our escalating population growth,

This already exists. Sadly it is confined mostly to our cities as these are the only places with high enough population density to make it viable. Or, I should say, viable with the current ownership model. I know many local councils are contemplating investing in driverless EV vehicles. (I even heard of one council that were trying to get funding for a pilot scheme of passenger drones.) These will have much greater flexibility than current public transport solutions, and, in the long run, more economically sustainable as they only travel when they are in use.

Well said, field's of old batteries a non recycling ♻️ legacy ?

Not recycle-able ... yet. You must remember, the ICE was very different in it's infancy to what it is now. It is now a technology that has been developed for more than 100 years and had billions of pounds spent on R&D. With the same time and investment, battery technology will see a marked improvement, too. EV's are a much quieter, much cleaner technology. Far better for the health of the individual and the planet.

Thus far, investment in battery technology at both an industry or governmental level has been disincentivized due to fuel duty, sunk costs and the absence of service revenue. This is changing with the rise of China's battery production as European markets don't want to be left behind. One result of this is 'The Faraday Institute' https://www.faraday.ac.uk/. One of the goals of this project is to improve the life cycle of batteries. I have friends working on this research - it is very promising.

Lead acid batteries weren't recycled for the majority of their usage in ICE. This wasn't a concern then. And with motivation and investment this has changed (thanks @spike ).

Whilst I accept that it is a valid concern, we have to decide as a society whether the short term impact of 'fields of old batteries' are worse than the long term impacts of global warming. Personally, I think the latter is more pressing.

Back to the original post, @JavaGreen, I think it's great that you're saving another A2. Good luck! Aluminium is an extremely energy intensive metal to manufacture and given that the A2 is so well designed it is such a shame to melt them down.

I agree with @ashley7715 whole heartedly. The space frame is waiting for cheap batteries and a nice electric motor to come along. Here is hoping it's sooner rather than later. (Maybe we should start a crowdfunder for it!).
 
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For info, lead acid batteries are recyclable and the going rate from a scrapyard is about £500 / tonne. (A Varta F19 weighs about 20kg so that's about a tenner)

Cheers Spike
 
I was going to scrap my fsi (only had since Sept last year), it was one of Mr Boons old cars, as it had developed several faults (eml being one) with one main problem of needing belts changed etc and a worrying misfire…. and at 107k was wondering if it was worth it??

After deliberation:

1. It is going in next week to get new cam belt/tensioner/water pump
2. New coil packs
3. A good full service
4. and anything else it needs
5. New proboost arriving in May??

Why…… well I think all the above will cost circa £1k

When all done I know where we stand… will start getting panels painted as required.

If I bought another for x£k it will probably require most of the above doing anyway. Besides, I miss having the fun with it.

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Many of the fsi's that I have bought 'thinking' it would be an easy fix by changing the coil packs, have turned out to be knackered injectors, especially no.3 on most of them for some strange reason...I can only think this is purely coincidence though.
my keeper developed a misfire for a short while, I changed the coil pack and bingo...but yes it could be a cheap fix, or a lot more costly, flip and coin!
 
Not recycle-able ... yet. You must remember, the ICE was very different in it's infancy to what it is now. It is now a technology that has been developed for more than 100 years and had billions of pounds spent on R&D. With the same time and investment, battery technology will see a marked improvement, too. EV's are a much quieter, much cleaner technology. Far better for the health of the individual and the planet.
Just a couple of points.

ICE technology has barely moved in 50 years. Cosworth DFV engine was DOHC 4v per cylinder in the 1960s! Turbo and super charging were in use before WW2.

I find it hard to believe that 'time and investment' has not been put into battery technology. If there was no such thing as an electric car (I wish), there are huge incentives to lower battery weight/size and charge time for many other devices and driven by the market rather than government coercion.

As stated above the best thing to do for the environment is to stop throwing away products that are performing perfectly well. Our cars are very well suited to that aim and it makes absolute sense to stick with the A2 until the improvements to battery technology arrive. Like nuclear fusion, these improvements have been 'just around the corner' for the whole of my lifetime.
 
ICE technology has barely moved in 50 years. Cosworth DFV engine was DOHC 4v per cylinder in the 1960s! Turbo and super charging were in use before WW2.

Lets get a bit of perspective. 50 years ago the ICE had been in development for 90 years, 10 of which had seen huge amounts of funding in R&D due to two world wars.The Cosworth DFV was very different from the Model A Ford. In contrast, we've had L-Ion EV for 14 years (thus far, none of which have been World wars). Time and investment have been put into EV technology but it is not comparable to that for the ICE - even as it was 50 years ago. A more sensible comparison would be to compare the Tesla model S to a Ford Model A. I think the EV is doing very well in this regard.

If there was no such thing as an electric car (I wish),

Why? Strange thing to say.

there are huge incentives to lower battery weight/size and charge time for many other devices and driven by the market rather than government coercion.

You're exactly right, the development in battery technology is the result of competition in the hand held device market. However, Li-ion have only been in mass production since 1991. It's very different designing a new material with high energy-density for use as a battery than it is to extract and burn a fossil fuel (where millions of years has done the hard work for you). It is only natural that this is extremely time consuming - the material space is huge.

But, there was never a mobile phone that ran off an ICE. On the other hand, the automotive industry has invested billions in production lines based around, and R&D on, the ICE. As you might imagine, it makes more economic sense for the hand-held device manufacturers to invest in and develop battery technology than the automotive industry. China does not have a large national (or Imperial) source of oil nor does it have an entrenched automotive industry. This helps to explain why the majority of the recent developments in L-ion EV are coming from there.

As stated above the best thing to do for the environment is to stop throwing away products that are performing perfectly well. Our cars are very well suited to that aim and it makes absolute sense to stick with the A2 until the improvements to battery technology arrive.

I don't think anyone has suggested throwing away products that work perfectly well. I certainly haven't. In fact, quite the contrary. I think A2's are fantastic (and cheap) and that's why I own one (or two). But, in the same way that it is more prudent for new energy infrastructure to utilise solar and wind rather than oil, new vehicles should be electric.

Like nuclear fusion, these improvements have been 'just around the corner' for the whole of my lifetime.

This attitude will change nothing. Improvements take time, thought and investment. If more people had invested in careers in science and technology rather than management consultancy they would happen a bit quicker. But, here we are.
 
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Seems like an expensive time of year?
Van has just had 2 new tyres and service.
A2 1.4 is in garage today for new discs and brake pads on front and oil/filter change.
Fissy is now with mechanic for:
New discs/pads all round, 2 x rear shocks, 4 x coil packs, a service and belt/water pump and tensioner‘s and anything else that gets it through the MOT. Then a birthday treat for fissy in shape of Proboosts In May. Hope it is worth it??
 
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