15" pepperpot tyre choice

Hi all,

Bumping an old thread - But I cannot find any reference to the rim width of the standard A2 Pepperpot alloy wheel. Can anyone take a look at theirs and tell me what the "J" measurement is, 5.5 or 6J?

In my quest for economy, comfort and safety, I'm considering putting the narrowest tyres on, but paying for premium (currently leaning towards GY EfficientGrip Performance if I go for summer / winter swaps), else I'll just go for non-XL load rated Michelin CrossClimate+ and wear them all year round. I know others may have opinions to the contrary on this and I'm open to them.

I've seen this thread where 165/65/15's have been mounted to a 6J rim but I believe at least a 175 width tyre for that rim size would be more desirable, using this tyre size calculator.

Thanks
 
Bumping an old thread - But I cannot find any reference to the rim width of the standard A2 Pepperpot alloy wheel. Can anyone take a look at theirs and tell me what the "J" measurement is, 5.5 or 6J?

You are mistaken in referring to the 'standard A2 pepperpot alloy wheel', since the wheels iyou have in mind were originally intended for the A3. Having said that, the wheel in question came in at 6J x 15, ET38.

Providing you know which model it was intended for, you can find the dimensions of most Audi wheels here:
 
Ah - so these were never offered by Audi for the A2? Interesting.

Thanks for the catch. So assuming they are indeed 6J, it seems my choices to consider bearing in mind my goals are thus:

175/60/15, 1857mm circ. (Std)

185/60/15, 1894mm circ. (Std +1.7%)

175/65/15, 1911mm circ. (Std +2.9%)
 
Ah - so these were never offered by Audi for the A2? Interesting.

Thanks for the catch. So assuming they are indeed 6J, it seems my choices to consider bearing in mind my goals are thus:

175/60/15, 1857mm circ. (Std)

185/60/15, 1894mm circ. (Std +1.7%)

175/65/15, 1911mm circ. (Std +2.9%)

Morning,

Had pepperpots fitted for some time now and chose:

Dunlop BluResponse 185/60/15.

The ride is brilliant sat on Sport suspension along with the Speedo seems to be bang on whilst ‘testing’ it with my phone GPS app.

As I was unable to find reference to tyre pressures for this tyre size (for the A2) I kept it the same as to what is displayed at the fuel cap.

Kind regards,

Tom
 
I'm on 195/55x15 Michelin Cross Climates with my pepperpots - I think that's the correct rolling circumference when compared with 185/50x16 which is the standard.
 
I wouldn’t want to go wider than 185 on such a light car Trevor bearing in mind my goals, although I do think Michelin’s CC+ are a superb choice and would be what I would go for if I wanted an all-season.

It seems 185/60/15 provides a good range of quality tyres available compared with 175/65/15 or 175/60/15.
 
According to my Bible ( Vredestein Technical Data book )

195 55 15 Rolling Circumference is 1815 mm.

185 50 16 is 1805 mm

185 60 15 is 1840 mm

175 65 15 is 1855 mm

175 60 15 is 1805 mm

For some reason Vredestein did not produce 185 50 16 Tyres at the time the Book was produced ( they might do now ). They recommended 195 45 16 so I once had a Set of Vredestein Sportrac on the A2. They are only 1775 mm Rolling Circumferance.
 
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The ET is 38, which would not have been correct for the A2.
205/40R17 tyres were mounted on 7Jx17 ET38 rims as one of the standard options on the Audi A2.

205/55R15 tyres mounted on 6Jx15 ET38 pepperpot rims would give a similar big look to the 205/40R17 size but have a much better ride and much more protection for the alloy rims from both potholes and kerbing as the 205/55 tyres will bulge out a lot more on 6J rims than 205/40 tyres on much wider 7J rims.

205/55R15 tyres have an outside diameter/rolling circumference 1.8% bigger than 205/40R17 tyres.

There's not a huge choice of top brands in the 205/55R15 size, although Uniroyal's latest Rainsport 5 205/55R15 88V is listed.


205/55R15 will protect the rim much better against kerbing damage than 185/60 and 185/65 tyres as these narrower tyres are quite stretched on a 6J rim. Also, if I was going to fit 185/60 or 185/65 tyres to the A2 I would choose ET28 to ET35 rims, not ET38 which narrows the track and doesn't fill the wheelarches so well. I would definitely avoid 175 tyres on a 6J rim as it's really stretching the sidewalls which would give a hard ride, not protect the rim from kerbing damage, and doesn't look right...plus again won't fill the wheelarch so well with the ET38 offset. Other choices include 195/55R15 and 195/60R15...but again with 195s I would be looking at an ET35 offset not an ET38 offset. So all things considered, I would go for 205/55R15 if you can get a good tyre in that size.

Uniroyal Rainsport 5 195/55R15 85V

Pepperpots 6Jx15 ET38 5/100

The OEM part number for Pepperpots is 8L0601025E

The OEM part number for the Pepperpots hub cap is 8L0601165D
 
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According to my Bible ( Vredestein Technical Data book )

195 55 15 Rolling Circumference is 1815 mm.

185 50 16 is 1805 mm

185 60 15 is 1840 mm

175 65 15 is 1855 mm

175 60 15 is 1805 mm

For some reason Vredestein did not produce 185 50 16 Tyres at the time the Book was produced ( they might do now ). They recommended 195 45 16 so I once had a Set of Vredestein Sportrac on the A2. They are only 1775 mm Rolling Circumferance.

I'm seeing multiple sources quote (taking 185/50/16 as an example), 1857mm @66Beetle - Here are the first three I clicked on:

https://tiresize.com/comparison/
https://www.tyremen.co.uk/tyre-size-calculator
https://www.rotawheelsuk.com/tyre-size-calculator/width/6"/rr-offset/et38/rr-diameter/15".html (although admittedly this site shows the circumference as closer to 1858mm).

I think the figures I quotes are correct.

As I want low rolling resistance summer tyres that are still able to cope with wet roads, I'll probably go with the Goodyear EfficientGrip Performance in 185/60/15 or possibly the Dunlop StreetResponse 2 in 175/65/15 - although I wouldn't really wish to go more than 2% over standard circumference (with the PTW six speed gearbox the lower gears are already very long so don't want to gear up any further!).
 
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I have always found mytyres to be the most expensive

tyreleader.co.uk and oponeo.co.uk have always had the best prices for any Tyres I have bought. Tyreleader do Free Carriage on Pairs of Tyres of the same Size and Type. Oponeo do Free Carriage a single Tyre, so they can be cheapest if you only need to buy one Tyre. Tyreleader even go so far as showing you everyone else’s price for the same Tyre.
 
I just bought a tyre from Tyreleader for the first time who must simply act as a middle man as it was sent from Germany and took a week to arrive with me, which is too long.

I have always used Camskill.co.uk in the past and always received tyres in two days and have always found their prices great too!

In my eyes there is absolutely nothing wrong with an offset of 38 for an A2, in fact it's quite perfect.

My choice tyre size for the pepperpots would be what 2work has (185/60/15).

205 is just way too wide in my eyes and totally contradicts the purpose of running narrow lightweight wheels on an A2.

Just my two cents worth ?
 
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Never had any problem with delays, or anything else, with tyreleader. The only time I ever ordered from Camskill the 5 Tyres never came. In the end they admitted they did not have them in stock and could not get them, so the order was cancelled. They were 155 80 15 Vredestein Snow + for the 1966 Beetle by the way.
 
The A2 requires an ET of 38 with a 7J rim, but ET 35 with a 6J rim for absolutely correct positioning.
It's better to relate ET with tyre width not rim width.

For example, 185/50R16 on a ET35 rim is a standard fitment on the A2, but if you fitted the 185/50R16 to a narrower 5.5J rim then ET35 would still be correct as the centre of the tyre tread on the 185/50R16 tyre would still be in the same position.
 
It's better to relate ET with tyre width not rim width.

For example, 185/50R16 on a ET35 rim is a standard fitment on the A2, but if you fitted the 185/50R16 to a narrower 5.5J rim then ET35 would still be correct as the centre of the tyre tread on the 185/50R16 tyre would still be in the same position.

Unfortunately you are mistaken. To retain identical tyre alignment with a 5.5J rim you'd need an ET of 34, regardless of tyre width.

In the real world these small differences scarcely matter, but it certainly helps to have a basic grasp of the theory behind all this.
 
I just got a set of pepperpots for summer, to replace 16" SE alloys with 195/45R16 tyres, which were quite harsh on the poor roads here (and the Hankook Ventus Prime3s on the front the last five years wore down very badly on the inside edge. I ran about 2.4-2.5bar on them.

I wanted something better for potholes and rough roads, while still maintaning some sportiness, good steering, feel. I made a list of tire sizes, and sidewall heights (approximate?),
175/60/15
104
185/60/15​
112​
185/55/15​
102​
195/55/15​
107​
195/50/15​
97​
185/50/16
91
195/50/16​
97​
195/45/16
89

After some browsing of the forums, I thought that 195/55R15 might suit me, but it seems like a less common size, and therefore more expensive, with potentially older designs. 195/50R15, although more common and cheap, scares me a bit because it's only 8mm higher than the current 45s. 185/55R16 is also somewhat an unusual size I think, similar to 195/55R15.

People have been raving about the 185/60R15 size from what I've read, as a good compromise. Even though I want to retain some sportiness, I really want to eliminate the great big thuds I've been getting, with parts of the car probably taking loads which other parts were designed to protect them from.

Anyway, so 185/60R15 is basically what I think I'm after. Dunlop BluResponse, though now an 8 year old, or more?, design, seemed recommended by forum members as well. Was that in 84 or 88 load index though?

A few years old ADAC 185/65R15 test declared Bridgestone T005 to be the winner, but they did not test the (now old?) BluResponse, nor did they test, for example, the Michelin Primacy 4. They tested the T005 in 88H, but the 60s come in 84H and 88H XL. How relevant is a 65 test to 60 size tyres? Would I have to get the 88H XL in order to get as close as possible to the same tyre as the winner? They're also pretty loud, from the reviews I read.

Our family has used Michelin tyres many times over the years, and liked them, so I'm considering Primacy 4 as well, S1 version (quieter but with a B/A/68 label instead of C/A/68) because I found a DOT2020 set of demo tires for about 17GBP/each less than normal retail prices, so I thought, what the hey. :) A bit of wet braking for a quieter ride and supposedly better fuel economy.

I also have an eye on the Vredestein Ultrac (88H XL), which is new, and seems well priced. I have no experience with this company's tires though, and the only tests I've seen from of the Sportrac 5 model.

So it seems to be between Bridgestone T005 (88H XL?), Primacy 4 S1 (84T), and BluReponse (84? 88?), and possibly the Vredestein Ultrac (88H XL).

There is also a set of BluResponse 84H DOT2016 demos available for 31GBP/each, which I was considering, as the price is very good compared to current year ones. However, from what I gather, Dunlop's warranty is 5 years from production (not purchase), so they'd basically come without warranty. Is it worth it? How likely is it they have a defect that would show up in, say, the next five years? I figured they might not be bad, and the difference in price could be invested in suspension work, which the car might need anyway.

The current Hankooks have worn down in about 5 years, so I estimated the Dunlops would be on for the next five, becoming worn, and old, at the same time.

Apologies for the long winded post, but I'd welcome your thoughts on this.

Thanks
 
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I just got a set of pepperpots for summer, to replace 16" SE alloys with 195/45R16 tyres, which were quite harsh on the poor roads here (and the Hankook Ventus Prime3s on the front the last five years wore down very badly on the inside edge. I ran about 2.4-2.5bar on them.

I wanted something better for potholes and rough roads, while still maintaning some sportiness, good steering, feel. I made a list of tire sizes, and sidewall heights (approximate?),
175/60/15
104
185/60/15​
112​
185/55/15​
102​
195/55/15​
107​
195/50/15​
97​
185/50/16
91
195/50/16​
97​
195/45/16
89

After some browsing of the forums, I thought that 195/55R15 might suit me, but it seems like a less common size, and therefore more expensive, with potentially older designs. 195/50R15, although more common and cheap, scares me a bit because it's only 8mm higher than the current 45s. 185/55R16 is also somewhat an unusual size I think, similar to 195/55R15.

People have been raving about the 185/60R15 size from what I've read, as a good compromise. Even though I want to retain some sportiness, I really want to eliminate the great big thuds I've been getting, with parts of the car probably taking loads which other parts were designed to protect them from.

Anyway, so 185/60R15 is basically what I think I'm after. Dunlop BluResponse, though now an 8 year old, or more?, design, seemed recommended by forum members as well. Was that in 84 or 88 load index though?

A few years old ADAC 185/65R15 test declared Bridgestone T005 to be the winner, but they did not test the (now old?) BluResponse, nor did they test, for example, the Michelin Primacy 4. They tested the T005 in 88H, but the 60s come in 84H and 88H XL. How relevant is a 65 test to 60 size tyres? Would I have to get the 88H XL in order to get as close as possible to the same tyre as the winner? They're also pretty loud, from the reviews I read.

Our family has used Michelin tyres many times over the years, and liked them, so I'm considering Primacy 4 as well, S1 version (quieter but with a B/A/68 label instead of C/A/68) because I found a DOT2020 set of demo tires for about 17GBP/each less than normal retail prices, so I thought, what the hey. :) A bit of wet braking for a quieter ride and supposedly better fuel economy.

I also have an eye on the Vredestein Ultrac (88H XL), which is new, and seems well priced. I have no experience with this company's tires though, and the only tests I've seen from of the Sportrac 5 model.

So it seems to be between Bridgestone T005 (88H XL?), Primacy 4 S1 (84T), and BluReponse (84? 88?), and possibly the Vredestein Ultrac (88H XL).

There is also a set of BluResponse 84H DOT2016 demos available for 31GBP/each, which I was considering, as the price is very good compared to current year ones. However, from what I gather, Dunlop's warranty is 5 years from production (not purchase), so they'd basically come without warranty. Is it worth it? How likely is it they have a defect that would show up in, say, the next five years? I figured they might not be bad, and the difference in price could be invested in suspension work, which the car might need anyway.

The current Hankooks have worn down in about 5 years, so I estimated the Dunlops would be on for the next five, becoming worn, and old, at the same time.

Apologies for the long winded post, but I'd welcome your thoughts on this.

Thanks
I’ll check what I’m running when I get home because they’re great! I’m not in the Pepperpot A2 today.
 
I just got a set of pepperpots for summer, to replace 16" SE alloys with 195/45R16 tyres, which were quite harsh on the poor roads here (and the Hankook Ventus Prime3s on the front the last five years wore down very badly on the inside edge. I ran about 2.4-2.5bar on them.

I wanted something better for potholes and rough roads, while still maintaning some sportiness, good steering, feel. I made a list of tire sizes, and sidewall heights (approximate?),
175/60/15
104
185/60/15​
112​
185/55/15​
102​
195/55/15​
107​
195/50/15​
97​
185/50/16
91
195/50/16​
97​
195/45/16
89

After some browsing of the forums, I thought that 195/55R15 might suit me, but it seems like a less common size, and therefore more expensive, with potentially older designs. 195/50R15, although more common and cheap, scares me a bit because it's only 8mm higher than the current 45s. 185/55R16 is also somewhat an unusual size I think, similar to 195/55R15.

People have been raving about the 185/60R15 size from what I've read, as a good compromise. Even though I want to retain some sportiness, I really want to eliminate the great big thuds I've been getting, with parts of the car probably taking loads which other parts were designed to protect them from.

Anyway, so 185/60R15 is basically what I think I'm after. Dunlop BluResponse, though now an 8 year old, or more?, design, seemed recommended by forum members as well. Was that in 84 or 88 load index though?

A few years old ADAC 185/65R15 test declared Bridgestone T005 to be the winner, but they did not test the (now old?) BluResponse, nor did they test, for example, the Michelin Primacy 4. They tested the T005 in 88H, but the 60s come in 84H and 88H XL. How relevant is a 65 test to 60 size tyres? Would I have to get the 88H XL in order to get as close as possible to the same tyre as the winner? They're also pretty loud, from the reviews I read.

Our family has used Michelin tyres many times over the years, and liked them, so I'm considering Primacy 4 as well, S1 version (quieter but with a B/A/68 label instead of C/A/68) because I found a DOT2020 set of demo tires for about 17GBP/each less than normal retail prices, so I thought, what the hey. :) A bit of wet braking for a quieter ride and supposedly better fuel economy.

I also have an eye on the Vredestein Ultrac (88H XL), which is new, and seems well priced. I have no experience with this company's tires though, and the only tests I've seen from of the Sportrac 5 model.

So it seems to be between Bridgestone T005 (88H XL?), Primacy 4 S1 (84T), and BluReponse (84? 88?), and possibly the Vredestein Ultrac (88H XL).

There is also a set of BluResponse 84H DOT2016 demos available for 31GBP/each, which I was considering, as the price is very good compared to current year ones. However, from what I gather, Dunlop's warranty is 5 years from production (not purchase), so they'd basically come without warranty. Is it worth it? How likely is it they have a defect that would show up in, say, the next five years? I figured they might not be bad, and the difference in price could be invested in suspension work, which the car might need anyway.

The current Hankooks have worn down in about 5 years, so I estimated the Dunlops would be on for the next five, becoming worn, and old, at the same time.

Apologies for the long winded post, but I'd welcome your thoughts on this.

Thanks

Blackcircles are listing some Michelins in size 185/60R15.

If you don't need cold weather performance, then the Primacy 4 185/60R15 84H (Euro Label C A 68dB) should provide a good balance of tyre life/performance/comfort. There's also a T-speed rated version listed with the same Euro Label.

 
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