Chat How long ULEZ

[JavaGreen]

The M8 runs straight throughout the Glasgow area

The ULEZ has already kicked in….. Glasgow itself is and was not ready consequently, will be spending several ££££££££s whilst they themselves get ready (tax payers cash through grants)

If you did not know, in the not too distant future not only will A2 tdis be banned from many places 23/24) so will Euro4 petrols. The writing is on the wall.

So my take on this….. if we all started driving electric vehicles tomorrow it would only make a small contribution towards climate change ( less than 1%) as if you look at the globe as a fish bowl, blow some smoke into it and see what happens. We get a significant amount o pollution rubbish from the EU and beyond. We are all doomed especially, the A2

 

[Ami]

I really fail to see how fines can lower emission levels.

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As long as you pay £12.50 a day, its OK to pollute the air in London, which seems stupid to me. having paid £80 fine for not realizing I drove in ULEZ zone.

 

[Jellybean]

As long as you pay £12.50 a day, its OK to pollute the air in London, which seems stupid to me. having paid £80 fine for not realizing I drove in ULEZ zone.

Exactly, just another tax, dressed up!

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[A2Steve]

The M8 runs straight throughout the Glasgow area

The ULEZ has already kicked in….. Glasgow itself is and was not ready consequently, will be spending several ££££££££s whilst they themselves get ready (tax payers cash through grants)

If you did not know, in the not too distant future not only will A2 tdis be banned from many places 23/24) so will Euro4 petrols. The writing is on the wall.

So my take on this….. if we all started driving electric vehicles tomorrow it would only make a small contribution towards climate change ( less than 1%) as if you look at the globe as a fish bowl, blow some smoke into it and see what happens. We get a significant amount o pollution rubbish from the EU and beyond. We are all doomed especially, the A2

Any articles on this Paul or is it just hearsay? The euro4 petrol thing I mean.

 

[JavaGreen]

Any articles on this Paul or is it just hearsay? The euro4 petrol thing I mean.

Since I have 2 x A2 petrols and a Saab petrol all at Euro4….. I wish it was heresay

We shall follow EU drafts who themselves intend to introduce on a rolling basis petrol Euro5 in 2026ish followed quickly to Euro6 petrol and then when it arrives Euro7. With the green brigade getting ever so powerful it is credited to perhaps arrive sooner.

NB: the petrol/diesel equation only applies to cars and not commercials…. and of course only applies to entering ULEZs…. if you live in the sticks it will be carry on regardless, well I hops so

Diesel is an even scarier scenario…. and I have three diesels

 

[chrisd]

I feel I have to stick my head over the parapet…

Microparticulates are a bad thing - high levels closely associated with short and long term problems with children’s health.
(Not exactly my specialist area but I have been a paediatrician for the last 40years)

Lots of sources - but diesels are one of the significant contributors - diesel > petrol > electric … but of course all worse than walking / cycling / public transport!

There are real problems with the ULEZ - hits people with ££ less than those with older cars and should have had better compensation scheme for people with non compliant cars - but it really should make air cleaner and lead to fewer people getting sick - which is a really good thing!

Background - A2 owners since 2001 - now shifted diesels -> 1.4 petrol ->FSI
Out of town diesel A2s are great - but dirty diesels are a problem in cities and ULEZ - like clean air acts of 50s and 60s for those with long memories - isn’t a bad thing!

Ducks and runs for cover!

 

[JavaGreen]

I feel I have to stick my head over the parapet…

Microparticulates are a bad thing - high levels closely associated with short and long term problems with children’s health.
(Not exactly my specialist area but I have been a paediatrician for the last 40years)

Lots of sources - but diesels are one of the significant contributors - diesel > petrol > electric … but of course all worse than walking / cycling / public transport!

There are real problems with the ULEZ - hits people with ££ less than those with older cars and should have had better compensation scheme for people with non compliant cars - but it really should make air cleaner and lead to fewer people getting sick - which is a really good thing!

Background - A2 owners since 2001 - now shifted diesels -> 1.4 petrol ->FSI
Out of town diesel A2s are great - but dirty diesels are a problem in cities and ULEZ - like clean air acts of 50s and 60s for those with long memories - isn’t a bad thing!

Ducks and runs for cover!

Total respect for a man/person who’s main ethos is to preserve life. You must be similar age to me….. I remember going to primary school and in those days in the colder months…. you could not (at times) see beyond 50ft…. real pea-soup days. Never seen so many people coughing and spluttering
These days the air is the cleanest (but still dirty) it has been for over a century.
I see the masters as opportunistic entrepreneur’s, they used to hammer smokers, drinkers and now the motorist.

ULEZ, as someone previously said, is no more than a stealth tax, he does not want the revenue for health benefits alas, he wants it for TfL and has stated this fact. All other cities are thinking (rightly I guess) hey, let’s create are own one way ATM

 

[Mike Allen]

Just read this thread, does anyone know if my Sept. 2000 1.4 SE petrol will be Euro4 compliant?
It fails if I put in the reg. no. on the ULEZ website.

 

[PlasticMac]

Just read this thread, does anyone know if my Sept. 2000 1.4 SE petrol will be Euro4 compliant?
It fails if I put in the reg. no. on the ULEZ website.

ULEZ compliance doesn't quite depend on Euro 4. ULEZ is all about NOx emissions. Early A2, (and Mk1 TTs, A3s, Golfs, etc), were produced to Euro 3, before the final draft of Euro 4 was published.
Euro 4 was the first Euro classification to specify that figures for NOx and CO must be shown separately. Previously, Euro 3 only required a combined figure for CO/NOx. Audi started to build to Euro 4 soon after the draft was published, so later cars have CO and NOx recorded separately, and are ULEZ compliant.
If, as is likely, your car was built as Euro 3, then the emissions figure will be the combined one, so non ULEZ compliant.
It's frustrating for you, because the later cars are technically the same, and if the emissions at manufacture of your A2 had been declared with CO and NOx separate, it would have been compliant.
Mac.

 

[devans]

This map has been produced to show operational cameras. This is kept up to date with reports of repairs and cameras out of action it’s very accurate . This is a pic of the camera at the top of my road that goes in to a housing estate on the border that has no through road.

tinyurl.com/juliemapsulez

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[A2Steve]

Just read this thread, does anyone know if my Sept. 2000 1.4 SE petrol will be Euro4 compliant?
It fails if I put in the reg. no. on the ULEZ website.

You can get it registered as compliant, there’s a thread on the forum by Celsisone on how to do it.

 

[kraig22]

just a way to make poor people more poor . as it always is. they might change there mind when everyone gets a horse the green alternative . electric is not the way . most cars that are taken from the roads here are being driven in countries like south Africa and india . so makes no difference globally. Just the great British con .

 

[Alan_uk]

Looks like it might be possible to access some of the Heathrow car parks off the M4. True?

 

[PlasticMac]

Looks like it might be possible to access some of the Heathrow car parks off the M4. True?

There’s talk of a Heathrow Park & Ride, just outside the dreaded zone. That would be a good move
Edit: A pity the great minds of TFL, and Heathrow didn't think of it a couple of years back.
Mac.

 

[JavaGreen]

There’s talk of a Heathrow Park & Ride, just outside the dreaded zone. That would be a good move
Edit: A pity the great minds of TFL, and Heathrow didn't think of it a couple of years back.
Mac.

Great minds
The only great minds are on this forum

Michael Graham (Talk TV)…. investigated all of this ULEZ 12 months from startex…. he has found that today we have more pollution than 12 months ago

Seems they all need bigger wallets

 

[Alan_uk]

There’s talk of a Heathrow Park & Ride, just outside the dreaded zone. That would be a good move
Edit: A pity the great minds of TFL, and Heathrow didn't think of it a couple of years back.
Mac.

If you are thinking of a Slough P&R then Heathrow airport are looking at that for it's staff. They say 10,000 of its employees - or 13 per cent of its total workforce - have non-Ulez compliant vehicles, and 5,000 of all staff live outside Greater London with 43% of all employees in or around Slough.

Heathrow Airport plans Slough park-and-ride outside Ulez

Heathrow Airport plans to create a 961 space park-and-ride to help employees avoid Ulez charges.

www.bbc.co.uk

Agree it needs a proper P&R to avoid the cowboys parking in fields or on streets.

PS
What I didn't make clear in my post perhaps, was I was looking at the map with the camera locations and it appears one could come off the M4 spur and then either into the tunnel for drop off / pick up or west along the North Perimeter Road to Long Stay Parking Terminal 5 without passing any cameras.

 

[George Hogg]

Glasgow’s NOx levels have risen since its ULEZ was implemented. Perhaps, just perhaps, lorries, buses and heating systems have a significantly greater effect than the older cars that they are excluding. It’s just another greenwash tax imo

 

[TAABVW]

Several times recently I have driven considerable extra miles and therefor produced considerable extra pollution in order to avoid emissions charging zones. I can't be the only one. I understand the drive to get cleaner air in cities but the net effect could well be more overall pollution.

Similarly changing to an electric car reduces pollution at point of use but by the time the emissions for the production of the (potentially unnecessary) electric car and the electricity generation are accounted for there is no net pollution benefit at least not for many many years.

Speed bumps and traffic calming measures also increase pollution. A road I drive down twice a day on the school run has recently had one way islands and speed bumps added. I used to drive on that road at the regulation, average speed cameraed, 30mph in the highest gear using as little fuel and therefore producing as little pollution as possible. Now it's stop start, stop start, so the kids have to breathe in about triple the pollution.

There just seems to be no joined up thinking. The three points above all increase pollution and ghg emission yet are "sold" at various levels as "green" improvements.

Sorry....rant over!

T

 

[A2Steve]

I won't mention our 2nd gear blanket 20mph standard speed limit in Wales getting introduced next week.

Perhaps they are hoping that people will get so fed up driving that they will simply give up.

 

[Sootywg]

I won't mention our 2nd gear blanket 20mph standard speed limit in Wales getting introduced next week.

Perhaps they are hoping that people will get so fed up driving that they will simply give up.

They made the whole of our village a 20mph zone earlier in the year, including a long open stretch of road on the approach to the village. I can just maintain 20 in 3rd gear but it does not really like it. At 20 mph I feel I lose concentration and recon it is actually more dangerous.