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You’re absolutely right, Rusty. It’s a very, very good point. Had the current situation come about as a result of the EU’s actions, there’d have been unadulterated rage from Jacob Rees-Mogg and his equally entitled cronies.
 
PlasticMac said:
Can you explain why
"the CL final is between two English teams is entirely as a result of Brexit"

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He was being facetious/sarcastic!

So you couldn't find a single advantage of Brexit?

I'll give you a few downsides. I own property in France. As a result of Brexit, I can only spend six months of a year there, with a maximum stay of three months in any six. British citizens living in France have lost their UK bank accounts because of financial passporting. Their UK driving licenses are no longer valid in France. These people have been thrown under the bus by the UK government and many of them didn't have a vote in the referendum!

RAB
 
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PlasticMac said:
Can you explain why
"the CL final is between two English teams is entirely as a result of Brexit"

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Mac, its just a way of making a point (with a smattering of sarcasm) that Brexiteers clutch at straws in trying to give credit to Brexit for absolutely anything. Its tongue in cheek of course, but you get the point. Brexit has FAR more negatives for most of us than it has positives, but Brexiteers are blind to that.
 
RAB said:
He was being facetious/sarcastic!

So you couldn't find a single advantage of Brexit?

I'll give you a few downsides. I own property in France. As a result of Brexit, I can only spend six months of a year there, with a maximum stay of three months in any six. British citizens living in France have lost their UK bank accounts because of financial passporting. Their UK driving licenses are no longer valid in France.

RAB
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Absolutely spot on RAB. Sorry to hear of your difficult situation WRT your property in France. Through no fault of your own. Yet another sad example of people being screwed over by Brexit.
 
timmus said:
You’re absolutely right, Rusty. It’s a very, very good point. Had the current situation come about as a result of the EU’s actions, there’d have been unadulterated rage from Jacob Rees-Mogg and his equally entitled cronies.
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Rees-Mogg, our C17th dandy! The one who stated that there would only be advantages of Brexit after 50 years! Shame he didn't say that before the referendum! Who would vote for something that would be only be advantageous when they're 70 years old, at best, or dead more likely? Only idiots, frankly! Ree-Mogg is also a hypocrite; he moved one of his companies to Dublin!

RAB
 
Can only agree with comments re how bad the Brexit effect is & it's not even started to bite ........ luckily, my home country allows me to have dual-nationality, which I have of course, taken & am not sure if I will renew my UK passport when the time comes.

I am even thinking of revoking my British nationality ......... except the cost to do that has increased by £51 to £372 per person & I'm not going to give this current shambles of a Government any more money than I have to.

Thank you, Borris & merci, Xavier (Bettel for those that don't know who my PM is).
 
timmus said:
The point is that the Champions League final being contested by two English teams has absolutely nothing to do with Brexit. The implication is that Brexiteers will claim that anything positive is a direct result of Brexit, even when there’s no reason to suggest causality.
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RAB said:
He was being facetious/sarcastic!

So you couldn't find a single advantage of Brexit?

I'll give you a few downsides. I own property in France. As a result of Brexit, I can only spend six months of a year there, with a maximum stay of three months in any six. British citizens living in France have lost their UK bank accounts because of financial passporting. Their UK driving licenses are no longer valid in France.

RAB
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RAB said:
He was being facetious/sarcastic!

So you couldn't find a single advantage of Brexit!

I'll give you a few downsides. I own property in France. As a result of Brexit, I can only spend six months of a year there, with a maximum stay of three months. British citizens living in France have lost their UK bank accounts because of financial passporting. They are also unable to use their UK driving licenses.
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Personally,
Hoomart said:
Can only agree with comments re how bad the Brexit effect is & it's not even started to bite ........ luckily, my home country allows me to have dual-nationality, which I have of course, taken & am not sure if I will renew my UK passport when the time comes.

I am even thinking of revoking my British nationality ......... except the cost to do that has increased by £51 to £372 per person & I'm not going to give this current shambles of a Government any more money than I have to.

Thank you, Borris & merci, Xavier (Bettel for those that don't know who my PM is).
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Bless me, seems I'm the only A2 person who's not grumpy. I've not noticed any downside to Brexit, must lead a sheltered life.
Is the current inclement weather also down to Brexit, seeing as BBC uses Meteo (French Co), for forecasts?
Mac.
 
LordTJC said:
Can we please keep discussion to A2s and not politics? It’s quite disappointing that people think this is an appropriate place to have a discussion/argument about such a contentious issue.

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You’d have caught me saying the same thing in months gone by. In some ways, I am displeased with myself for having allowed myself to get drawn into the discussions. However, in the immediate wake of losing a business partner in Europe (a partner who was helping me to keep A2s on the road!) due to Brexit, the lines between A2s and politics aren’t clear-cut ...at least not for me, personally.
This is unquestionably a contentious subject, though, and I’d hate to see it descend into conflict between club members.

Perhaps it is indeed time to acknowledge Louis’ original point - that things are more expensive as a result of import duties - and leave it at that.

Cheers,

Tom
 
This discussion/debate right now is one that I don't think any pro-Brexit opinion could win. There were never not going to be any downsides, and for many these have been effective immediately, as evidenced by posts above and I don't doubt that countless people more would have a complaint to add. Not to detract from any of the suffering and frustration of those people for the inconvenience, costs and disruption that they are now facing, but wasn't Brexit always supposed to be about the balance of outcomes for us as a nation in the longer term? Not even five months on yet, we can in no way be said to be looking at results on that timescale, and by focusing on the situations of individuals and groups we're looking at too granular a level. In 10 or 15 years time it will be worth comparing our situation as a nation with that of the EU that we didn't stay in, to see whether we 'won' or not.
 
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LordTJC said:
Can we please keep discussion to A2s and not politics? It’s quite disappointing that people think this is an appropriate place to have a discussion/argument about such a contentious issue.

Tim
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You are of course, correct !!
PlasticMac said:
Must admit,

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Personally,

Bless me, seems I'm the only A2 person who's not grumpy. I've not noticed any downside to Brexit, must lead a sheltered life.
Is the current inclement weather also down to Brexit, seeing as BBC uses Meteo (French Co), for forecasts?
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Can confirm that we too have cr@@p weather at the moment & I also use Meteo .

Finally ,I can also confirm that using eBay UK to buy items is a thing of the past for me, due to the import tariffs now applied to my UK purchases, which is a sad thing.?
 
Proghound said:
This discussion/debate right now is one that I don't think any pro-Brexit opinion could win. There were never not going to be any downsides, and for many these have been effective immediately, as evidenced by posts above and I don't doubt that countless people more would have a complaint to add. Not to detract from any of the suffering and frustration of those people for the inconvenience, costs and disruption that they are now facing, but wasn't Brexit always supposed to be about the balance of outcomes for us as a nation in the longer term? Not even five months on yet, we can in no way be said to be looking at results on that timescale, and by focusing on the situations of individuals and groups we're looking at too granular a level. In 10 or 15 years time it will be worth comparing our situation as a nation with that of the EU that we didn't stay in, to see whether we 'won' or not.
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Wise words, thanks @Proghound
Mac.
 
Mr Bennetts said:
I am very surprised the Administrators have allowed this political rant from both Brexiteers and Remoaners to go on so long.
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Reality check: Brexit has severely impacted those who service A2s. If parts for products like ColorDIS can't be supplied, you're out of luck. If parts aren't supplied to the UK because the supplier doesn't need the hassle, your car is potentially off the road. If the safety markings can't be agreed or tested to, then things get a lot worse.

This is reality. The paperwork to the UK is nuts as far as most EU companies are concerned; the duties are disproportionate and the couriers add their charges on top. There is no clarity on safety markings (CE? nah, mate, that won't wash - but what will replace it and at what cost?)...
So you will lose out in the end. The market isn't big enough.

This isn't about remoaning. Cold, hard facts say trade just got a hell of a lot harder, and it's going to affect you sooner or later. Expect inflation to really hit in the second half of this year as the increased cost of freight and time gets passed on. We already have had refusals to ship to the UK and I heard a story of a shipment of laptops that would previously have taken days taking months instead. This is unsustainable. I just ordered some parts that were "unsuppliable" when I asked in February - that particular company now has their systems in order, and I'm just thankful that my customs at this end are super-organized. Still, it's increased buying prices for us by 25% as I no longer get any VAT relief. This will be the flip side: massive inflation.

Hoomart said:
Can only agree with comments re how bad the Brexit effect is & it's not even started to bite ........ luckily, my home country allows me to have dual-nationality, which I have of course, taken & am not sure if I will renew my UK passport when the time comes.

I am even thinking of revoking my British nationality ......... except the cost to do that has increased by £51 to £372 per person & I'm not going to give this current shambles of a Government any more money than I have to.

Thank you, Borris & merci, Xavier (Bettel for those that don't know who my PM is).
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^^ I was in your part of the world Thursday / Friday - didn't see a single A2... :( Like the place though, must visit again some time.
I also have 2 passports now.
 
Ridiculous thread, should be taken down.
There are trade barriers. We are not part of the EU. [edited by moderator]
 
Mr Bennetts said:
I am very surprised the Administrators have allowed this political rant from both Brexiteers and Remoaners to go on so long.
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It might be politics but I'm pleased to see that we're all playing nicely. There's nothing ungentlemanly or disrespectful in general or towards anyone in particular in this discussion. As long as it stays that way, I don't see any reason to remove it.

And just as I said that .... :rolleyes:
 
bretti_kivi said:
^^ I was in your part of the world Thursday / Friday - didn't see a single A2... :( Like the place though, must visit again some time.
I also have 2 passports now.
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@bretti_kivi
Yes, too many Porsches, top end Audi, BMW's, Mercs, Ranges & all other Status symbol motors to see any A2's !!!

Think there are less than 20 in the whole country & 3 are in my 'village' !!! Oh well, their loss !!

If you see what looks to be an empty parking spot. look again ; probably filled with a 'normal' sized car. ???.
 
For me personally, the term Remoaner has become obsolete. The reality is that Brexit has happened. I hope this means that the binary divisions that we saw over 4 years between Leavers and Remainers can be put aside. I avoided the subject of Brexit on the forum for all that time, because I just wish to get on well with other A2 owners irrespective of their politics.
Now that Brexit has happened in full, the conversation has to move on to the situation as we find it; the inevitable negatives, and hopefully the future positives. These are things that we, as a club, ought to be able to discuss without it descending into a bun fight. Now that we are no longer in the same economic bloc as the suppliers of the parts we’ll need to maintain our A2s, it’s a topic of relevance to us all.
I think it’s clear that, so far, I only experience the negative consequences of our national decision. This isn’t due to my personal ideologies but simply the effects upon my work life. However, I wholeheartedly agree with what Proghound said above: in the immediate aftermath of Brexit, we’re not going to see any positives. In the short term, the downsides are always going to be more obvious. I do sincerely hope that, in the fullness of time, teething problems are resolved and that the decision to leave the EU has its positives. Why would I wish for anything else? ‘Remoaning’ achieves nothing.

Cheers,

Tom
 
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