Wont start. Fuel pump/relay

[tnpali01]

The filter arrived just now a job for another day

Back to progressing non start on Project 250 . First day off in a few weeks and dry enough day. started the filter replacement. Jacked up ns rear . Clamped the four hoses . Tried to undo the small nut for the drain The whole small piece seems to spin continuously .. clearly the bolt , and nut are rusted solid . Can the hole lid of the filter housing
unscrew and does the small nut need removing first? Is there a special tool to remove the lid as dont seem to be able to get any socket over the drain plug as theres a slight lip.

 

[tnpali01]

Back to progressing non start on Project 250 . First day off in a few weeks and dry enough day. started the filter replacement. Jacked up ns rear . Clamped the four hoses . Tried to undo the small nut for the drain The whole small piece seems to spin continuously .. clearly the bolt , and nut are rusted solid . Can the hole lid of the filter housing
unscrew and does the small nut need removing first? Is there a special tool to remove the lid as dont seem to be able to get any socket over the drain plug as theres a slight lip.

Also have got a kit @TAABVW to bleed but not sure where I should be attaching the kit to the fuel system and potentially letting in further air ? Would appreciate any pointers . I presume its the feed to the pump? Do I need to clamp the lines either side and then remove the hose between the metal pipe and pump?

 

[Deleted member 20348]

Hi,
Hope you get that sorted out soon.
If your on a break from getting soaked in diesel I found the following post a good read when working on my diesel fuel filter.
best of luck
It looks like it's about an FSI car but if you scroll on a bit the tdi filter is discussed.

fuel filter how to change

my 1.6 fsi has a small inline umbrella fuel filter on the off side engine bay next to the brake fluid reservoir i was thinking it might be a aftermarket additon does anyone else have this on there car, i think i will replace it or remove it any thoughts?

www.a2oc.net

Edit
In 2018 purchased @depronman fuel filter housing drain plug for its functionality and long service life

 

[tnpali01]

Hi,
Hope you get that sorted out soon.
If your on a break from getting soaked in diesel I found the following post a good read when working on my diesel fuel filter.
best of luck
It looks like it's about an FSI car but if you scroll on a bit the tdi filter is discussed.

fuel filter how to change

my 1.6 fsi has a small inline umbrella fuel filter on the off side engine bay next to the brake fluid reservoir i was thinking it might be a aftermarket additon does anyone else have this on there car, i think i will replace it or remove it any thoughts?

www.a2oc.net

Edit
In 2018 purchased @depronman fuel filter housing drain plug for its functionality and long service life

question i am still trying to figure out is how this drain come apart, and if it needs to be removed first to get the lid off. as for the moment I dont think it wants to do anything other than spin.. 1 . seems to spin when i turn 2. 2 is rusted solid . 3 theres a lip on the screw which spins so even cant get 27mm socket on . Should it be possible to remove the lid with the plug in place there seem to be two points on the lid which i presume I could utilise for leverage but if the lid is tight maybe not an option?

 

[tnpali01]

question i am still trying to figure out is how this drain come apart, and if it needs to be removed first to get the lid off. as for the moment I dont think it wants to do anything other than spin.. 1 . seems to spin when i turn 2. 2 is rusted solid . 3 theres a lip on the screw which spins so even cant get 27mm socket on . Should it be possible to remove the lid with the plug in place there seem to be two points on the lid which i presume I could utilise for leverage but if the lid is tight maybe not an option?

Looking at the Garage or Dad video , the screen on the drain plug seems different . Has the one on 250 been adapted in the past or are there variations in design ? the threaded piece on 250 is clearly protruding further out? going to take a break and think what next... dont want to destroy the housing. ..not going to be able to remove this as would expect that drain plug wont budge ... thinking 27,mm spanner and hope i clear the lip on the lip/ screw enough to undo.?

 

[tnpali01]

Looking at the Garage or Dad video , the screen on the drain plug seems different . Has the one on 250 been adapted in the past or are there variations in design ? the threaded piece on 250 is clearly protruding further out? going to take a break and think what next... dont want to destroy the housing. ..not going to be able to remove this as would expect that drain plug wont budge ... thinking 27,mm spanner and hope i clear the lip on the lip/ screw enough to undo.?

the only 27mm spanner i have does seem to clear, just wondering whether i try something like this, https://www.amazon.co.uk/KS-Tools-913-1305-Crows-spanner/dp/B0096QIX8U, or any ideas on how to get the drain plug out without destroying the plug or lid?

 

[CrispyEdd]

That's a big bodged filter housing i would leave it alone for now if its not leaking and get a replacement unit from breaker also get a depronman alloy cap then start again sadly.

 

[CrispyEdd]

the only 27mm spanner i have does seem to clear, just wondering whether i try something like this, https://www.amazon.co.uk/KS-Tools-913-1305-Crows-spanner/dp/B0096QIX8U, or any ideas on how to get the drain plug out without destroying the plug or lid?

That is nit the original drain plug, it's a bodge from before you. You have to remove the drain plug then the 27 6 sided cap don't use a 12 point tool it slips.

 

[tnpali01]

That is nit the original drain plug, it's a bodge from before you. You have to remove the drain plug then the 27 6 sided cap don't use a 12 point tool it slips.

Thanks, if thats the case then I need to find a new housing / lid . Need to look at how much that will cost... In meantime I will still try to find a solution to remove the lid as one if only to understand whats going on and state of the filter. Not sure when I am going to have time with work or what weather will be like to keep revisiting this in next few weeks. I know I have to get the deproman drain plug long term, but wanted to see if I could at least get it running again before spending more and more... its also got no MOT , this all happened on MOT test day and i expect its probably going to need something doing, i know ive also a rear door lock to sort, so getting to that tipping point where i need to see if its worth pursuing or is it a spares , repair project for someone else. I will see if I can get the lid off as a whole, and also look at whether i can confirm if theres any air before I decide next step. Thanks again @CrispyEdd and for pointing out about the 6sided socket, just realised mine isnt.

 

[tnpali01]

That is nit the original drain plug, it's a bodge from before you. You have to remove the drain plug then the 27 6 sided cap don't use a 12 point tool it slips.

Can the cap be removed with the drain plug in situ? assuming I can get a spanner or bit around the lip?

 

[Deleted member 20348]

Can the cap be removed with the drain plug in situ? assuming I can get a spanner or bit around the lip?

Yes,
If you have the 6 five point crows foot socket then you'll be able to take it off with one of those or the 27mm six point spanner.
Because the drain plug has had the previous bodge and there's no lip blocking access to the nut behind on the drain plug you can also fit a normal socket on to the 27mm nut to remove the cap. I hope so


It difficult to tell with the photos but if the lip is blocking access you have nothing to loose by using a rotary tool with a cutting disc to cut off enough of the plastic lip so a normal socket will fit past it.

This idea a was posted in a thread by another member, I'm just recycling

Edit
There are the five not six point crows feet I was thinking of. But looking at the design they probably won't pass by the drain screw outer lip.

 

[tnpali01]

Yes,
If you have the 6 point crows foot socket then you'll be able to take it off with one of those or the 27mm six point spanner.
Because the drain plugbhas had the previous bodge and there's no lip blocking access to the nut behind on the drain plug you can also fit a normal socket on to the 27mm nut to remove the cap. I hope so


It difficult to tell with the photos but if the lip is blocking access you have nothing to loose by using a rotary tool with a cutting disc to cut off enough of the plastic lip so a normal socket will fir past it.

Yes the lip is still there , Im going to try and source a spanner or failing that yes I'll have to cut away the lip.

 

[Deleted member 20348]

I like the take a break suggestion made above.

The more I read about these fuel filters I find the drain plug damage a reoccurring subject.

It's worth noting that the cap and drain plug apear to be a bit thin on the ground. It's possible scrap yards may have some in stock but eBay has nothing to offer.

It's a thought that you probably have had already yourself,....
if you can remove the entire cap off the fuel filer housing then you can mount it in the bench vice so as to remove the drain plug section using vice mole grips on the drain plug outer edge lipped section.

Then it just a matter of fitting the @depronman cap and your well away!


Edit.
Theoretically it sounds so simple

Edit 2
For clarity....
If this is the way to proceed we mustn't damage that drain plug lip.

 

[tnpali01]

I like the take a break suggestion made above.

The more I read about these fuel filters I find the flowing drain plug damage reoccurring.

It's worth noting that the cap and drain plug are apear to be a bit thin on the ground. It's possible srap yards may have some in stick but eBay has nothing to offer.

It's a thought that you probably gave already gad yourself, if you can remove the entire cap off the fuel filer housing then you can mount that in the bench vice so as to remove the drain plug section using vice grips on the drain plug outer edge lipped section.

The it just a matter of putting in the @depronman cap and your well away!

Yes , i've had a look and couldnt see anything also ... its just how to remove the lid , assuming it can be removed and hasnt been masticed or sealed in without further damage, working with just the lifting space of the jack/ stands and unfortunately my drive space where I can work on this is limited, yes hoping to get the whole lid off . Its not very easy with a spanner as the spanner cannot get in hence trying to get a suitable crows foot bit..the whole unit seems to want to move , fearing i may end up destroying any mountings , so yeah needed a break, re think, revisit helps with the frustration. Design, construction and location of the filter isnt great... Im guessing if parts are difficult to come by , maybe there was an issue here before the deproman solution wasnt available so this kept the car on the road?

 

[Deleted member 20348]

Please forgive my ideas, I don't want to insult your intelligence.
Sometimes I find it difficult to write stuff that sounds neutral.

We need to stop the housing turning.
Edit:
the oil filter removal tool clamped to the housing will help steady it as you apply force to the 27mm plastic nut of the filter cap.
Put one of these on your shopping list.
I hope it fits in the space under the car then you will be apply more force to the nut.

 

[Deleted member 20348]

 

[tnpali01]

Please forgive my ideas, I don't want to insult your intelligence.
Sometimes I find it difficult to write stuff that sounds neutral.

We need to stop the housing turning.
Put one of these on your shopping list.
I hope it fits in the space under the car then you will be apply more force to the nut.

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Hey dont worry about my intelligence, or anything else. I am grateful for your support, ideas , inspiration to keep me going with this. RealIy appreciate you taking the time to suggest this I have had another go, and decided Im going to have to leave it for today , find a suitably thin crows foot bit to take the lid off . I havent the space or time to remove the lip cleanly enough without fear of damaging the lid using a rotary tool . rotary tool will be next step if I cant find a crows foot.

 

[depronman]

Can the cap be removed with the drain plug in situ? assuming I can get a spanner or bit around the lip?

Yes


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[Deleted member 20348]

There is another hand tool that may be of use if you get stuck removing the drain plug with the mole grips.

A pin wrench.

To get the pin tool to fit the drain plug two shallow holes for the pins to slot into would need drilling out.
The holes would be the same diameter as the pins

On a fixed width angle grinder wrench the distance apart for each pin hole would be determined by their set width but with the adjustable pin wrench you may opt where to drill them.

The depth and distance from the centre of the drain cap would need some thought so as not to damage the fuel filter cap that plug is screwed into.

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Order online at Screwfix.com. Twist knob design with hex fitment to secure in a fixed position. 4mm diameter hardened drive pins with 10-47mm spacing. Ergonomic non-slip handle for comfort whilst working. Thick steel design for longevity and durability. Suitable for use with most angle grinders...

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